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Koran kissing by American military officer

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by GrubbyJack, May 20, 2008.

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  1. GrubbyJack

    GrubbyJack Member

    Jul 19, 2006
    A trooper shoot a Koran....SO....Major General Hammond was anxious to show that the U.S. is not at war with Islam. Fine. But to kiss the Qur’an and to beg for forgiveness are signs that one accepts its authority and the authority of those before whom one is begging. Coming from non-Muslims, it is likely that they will be interpreted as gestures of submission, and the submission of non-Muslims to Muslims is a significant concept in Islamic law. When are we going to learn!
  2. truthseeker

    truthseeker Member

    Feb 25, 2008
    If the shoe were on the other foot and it was an Iraqi shooting the Bible, I could care less. I am a Christian and I know that all Muslims will be "dealt" with after they die since they do not beleive Jesus Christ died for their sins.
  3. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Green Bay Wisconsin
    That humming noise you hear is Teddy Roosevelt spinning in his grave.

  4. Joe Potosky

    Joe Potosky Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    HERAT A Nato soldier and two civilians were killed in Afghanistan when 2,000 protesters armed with stones tried to break into an airfield in Chaghcharan in protest about a copy of the Koran being used for target practice by a US soldier in Iraq.
  5. Joe Potosky

    Joe Potosky Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    Another point of view...


    Rob Douglas: Senseless acts near and far

    Steamboat Springs — How did you feel when you learned that five American flags were recently stolen, desecrated or tampered with in Oak Creek?

    How did you feel when you learned that one of those flags was stolen from the family of Kane Johnson, who just left to serve his country in Iraq?

    How did you feel when you learned that another of the flags was stolen from the Oak Creek Fire Department and hung upside-down outside Town Hall with the words “Scream For Salvation” painted on it?

    I suspect you felt as I did.

    Angry and hurt.

    Did you feel the same anger when you learned an American soldier in Iraq recently wrote graffiti inside a Quran?

    Did you feel the same anger when you learned the soldier used the Quran for target practice?

    Did you feel the same anger when you learned the soldier left the bullet-torn Quran where Iraqis were sure to find it?

    I suspect you didn’t.

    Neither did I.

    Perhaps we should have.

    Most of us would like to see the Oak Creek flag vandal apprehended and punished because we consider his or her (or their) behavior reprehensible, but we probably didn’t give much thought to punishing the American soldier. Yet, reaction around the world to the deliberate act of that soldier has not been as tame as here at home.

    On Thursday, during a protest in Afghanistan against the shooting of the Quran, a NATO soldier and two civilians were killed and dozens were injured when the protest by more than 1,000 turned violent. The fierce demonstration occurred in spite of President Bush and top military commanders in Iraq having repeatedly apologized for the Quran incident and promising to prosecute the soldier.

    As part of one apology in Iraq, according to The Associated Press, Maj. Gen. Jeffery Hammond told Iraqi tribal leaders during a ceremony to present them with a new Quran. “I come before you here seeking your forgiveness. In the most humble manner, I look in your eyes today and I say please forgive me and my soldiers.

    “The actions of one soldier were nothing more than criminal behavior,” he added. “I’ve come to this land to protect you, to support you — not to harm you — and the behavior of this soldier was nothing short of wrong and unacceptable.”

    The unidentified American soldier, who has been removed from Iraq, also has written a letter of apology to the Iraqis. Unfortunately, the apologies have not calmed some of the Islamic faith, and more violent protests like the one in Afghanistan may follow as word spreads throughout the Muslim world. Additionally, the government of Iraq is demanding the soldier be turned over to them for prosecution.

    When I learned of the senseless act in Iraq — just days after learning of the equally senseless act in Oak Creek — I found myself questioning why I’m more offended by the desecration of an American flag here at home than of a Quran in Iraq?

    The answer is easy, if somewhat simplistic. I’m more offended because the flag is a symbol of the country I cherish. A symbol my father fought under during World War II. A symbol that covered his casket when he was buried in 1975. The Quran is a book with little meaning or symbolism to me.

    Still, the American flag and Quran are just symbols and representations. And while they both represent powerful and meaningful beliefs that many have given their lives in defense of, no one should be harmed or killed due to the defilement of a symbol.

    Fortunately, we live in a country where we don’t sanction physical harm or death for those who sully our national symbols. Indeed, in certain circumstances we constitutionally protect the right of those who desecrate the flag to make a political statement because we value freedom above symbols. Thankfully, that sets us apart from a significant portion of the world.

    I have three hopes as we enter Memorial Day weekend.

    I hope that — just as the American soldier who shot the Quran stepped forward to accept responsibility and apologize to the people of Iraq — the vandal who stole and desecrated the flags will step forward to accept responsibility and apologize to the people of Oak Creek.

    I hope that as a country we remember that freedom is always worth dying for, but symbols like books and flags are never worth killing over.

    Finally, and most important, I hope we all take time to remember those Americans who gave their lives to defend our freedom.
  6. FranzSodia

    FranzSodia TS Member

    Oct 24, 2006
    I agree with the "weenies" statement. Apparently, its okay for every american hater to burn our flag but so wrong for a sniper to use a Quaran as a backstop?
    What has this country come to? Some say Bush is a cowboy, John Wayne like. If so, he rides the little dime store pony rather than a real horse. Grow some balls America and stop taking $hit off everybody!!!!!!!! I am sick of how everyone is always worried they are offending someone, some race, some religion, some gender or telling me to not call a shotgun a weapon, because it stirs up the anti-gunners. To hell with all of that nonsense!!!!!!!!!! John E.
  7. JWS

    JWS Member

    May 3, 2007
    I definitely agree with John S. Its about time we stoped kissing ass and started kicking ass. Jim Stewart
  8. slide action

    slide action Well-Known Member

    Jan 29, 1998
    It's OK to say we're sorry it happened, but kissing the Koran OR their rear is going way to far! You can't appease these people. They won't ever be anything except what they are, 3rd world thugs stuck in the dark ages!
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