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Kid Grabbed Father Gets Her Back. S.G Lets Him Go.

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by Auctioneer, Nov 27, 2012.

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  1. Auctioneer

    Auctioneer Well-Known Member

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    I just heard on the radio that a guy was in a mall and grabbed a 2 year old from the mom. He started to leave the mall when the father got her back after a tussle. The security guards got the guy and then escorted the him off the property. THEY DIDN'T EVEN CALL THE COPS. 6 hours later the parents called the cops. ???????????????????? Why didn't the S.G's call the cops? Or hold him for the cops? If that was my kid I'm pretty sure I would be needing a good murder lawyer. I didn't catch where this was.
     
  2. wireguy

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    Because the SG's first loyalty is to their employer. The mall doesn't want the negative publicity and the SG's didn't want to lose their jobs for creating that.
     
  3. Auctioneer

    Auctioneer Well-Known Member

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    I just hope they sue the mall. That would teach them.
     
  4. The Literalist

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    What a stupid-assed post (on a trapshooting discussion site)
     
  5. crusha

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    I heard somebody got mugged somewhere the other day.
     
  6. Auctioneer

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    So Literalist, you think its OK for someone to grab someone elses kid and to be let the attacker go? What if it was your kid? What would you be saying or doing then?
     
  7. Brian in Oregon

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    The Literalist, quote: <i>"What a stupid-assed post (on a trapshooting discussion site)"</i>

    Um, it's in the Off Topic section, in case you didn't notice.
     
  8. John Galt

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  9. crusha

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    Gonna need the long needlenose pliers to unhook this one...
     
  10. halfmile

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    not sposed to say dat word whut means posterior, da naughty talk cops are gonna get ya

    HM
     
  11. oz

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    What do the SG's do when the jewelry store gets robbed? What do they do when a SG gets assaulted? OH, auctioneer, you need to read the section on commas in your kid's english book.
     
  12. John Galt

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    Good point ctreay, why didn't the parents pull out their cellphones and dial 911? The picture painted in the original post probably wasn't the complete one.
     
  13. likes-to-shoot

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    The way people are nowadays they most likely tried to get money out of the mall to keep quiet. Couldn't extort any so they called the cops after 6 hrs.
     
  14. John Galt

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    LOL lts
     
  15. skeet_man

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    Does anybody have a link to the actual story?
     
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    They probably did call the cops right away, it just took them 6 hours to respond
     
  17. Joe Potosky

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    The man whose foiled attempt to snatch a two-year-old girl sent a community into tumult after it was revealed that a rented security guard let the man go was caught on a security camera, according to the Albemarle Police Department, which released two photographs.

    The grainy images, released Tuesday evening, show a tall man walking past a jewelry counter on the afternoon of Saturday, November 24. A prior release indicates that police are looking for a light-skinned, glasses-wearing black male approximately 6'3" tall and weighing between 220 and 235 pounds.

    They say he grabbed the girl at Charlottesville Fashion Square but was quickly chased down by the girl's father and then– inexplicably– escorted off the property by security instead of getting charged with a felony count of attempted abduction, which is how police now characterize the incident.

    Parents and security experts have criticized the handling of the situation, and Fashion Square owner Simon Properties has thus far declined to address the criticism levied at the Pennsylvania-based security firm, AlliedBarton, that it pays to patrol the mall.

    Further criticism has erupted over allegations not only of official silence but of outright scrubbing of criticism and questions on the mall's Facebook page. A parent and a public relations expert slammed the sanitized Facebook page as a blunder compounding a terror, according to a story in the Daily Progress.


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    That a two-year-old child may have been briefly kidnapped by a stranger at a shopping mall is shocking enough. That police weren't notified until six hours after the private security force at Charlottesville Fashion Square escorted the man from the property has created a firestorm.

    The public first learned of the Saturday, November 24, alleged attempted abduction the following afternoon when Albemarle County police issued a press release seeking help in finding a light-skinned, glasses-wearing black male approximately 6'3" tall and weighing between 220 and 235 pounds.

    According to the release, the two-year-old girl was walking with her parents near Kay Jewelers between 2pm and 2:30pm when the suspect picked up the child from behind. Her father ran after the man, who released the toddler.

    "The suspect did not get far with the child," says Albemarle police spokesperson Carter Johnson, noting that any time a stranger puts hands on and picks up a child, that's an attempted abduction. "That is a felony offense."

    What's creating discomfort among parents and outrage in online forums is that Fashion Square security removed the suspect from the property without getting a name– or contacting police.

    "That's a difficult one," says Johnson. "We work with security. Normally, they would hold the suspect, and we would make the arrest."

    The girl's parents contacted police around 8pm that evening, says Johnson.

    Simon Properties, which owns Fashion Square, is mum about why its security contractor did not call police.

    "This incident is now a police matter and, of course, we are fully cooperating with their investigation," says Simon spokesman Les Morris in a statement released November 26, two days after the event. "Every piece of information that we have in our possession as well as witness reports have been turned over to the police for their follow-up."

    "It's very bizarre to escort someone from the property and not notify police," notes Rick McCann, the CEO of Private Officer International, a security and law enforcement training association. "It's required by law because it's a felony."

    McCann says he can conceive of only two scenarios under which law enforcement shouldn't be called: that a company policy forbade it or that the security guard was threatened with a weapon. More likely, he asserts, it was a bad judgment call along with a shockingly low training threshold for private security guards.

    He points out that in Virginia, unarmed guards are required to garner just 24 hours of training in order to have authority to arrest someone on private property and transport a suspect to the nearest magistrate. For armed security, the level is 40 hours, and that also seems too low to McCann.

    "It's troubling," he says.

    "The mall is a city within a city," continues McCann. "If a suspicious person is reported, mall security is dispatched." If shoplifting or trespassing or a fight occur, that also falls into the hands of mall security. Says McCann: "That's a lot of responsibility for 24 hours of training."

    The expert expresses little surprise that Simon Properties and its security contractor, Pennsylvania-based AlliedBarton, which employs more than 55,000 people, are not releasing more information.

    "The bottom line is liability because they could be sued by the parents," says McCann. "They had a duty to act."

    This would not be the first uncomfortable incident at the mall. Two years ago, Fashion Square officials shut it down for an hour after an alleged brawl and subsequently issued a statement pointing to public buses as the means by which youthful participants had arrived.

    In the more recent case, police are reviewing surveillance video in hopes of identifying the alleged abductor, says the police spokesperson.

    "If we found him, we'd release it because we want to identify the suspect," says Johnson, who declines to comment on online chatter about the man's mental health.

    "We want to use this to make the public more aware and alert during the holiday season when the stores are crowded," says Johnson. "Keep your packages together, and keep your children with you."
     
  18. Auctioneer

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    It was on the news this morning that they did catch the suspect and he is now in jail. Someone turned him in. Good for them.

    Joe thanks for your post.
     
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