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Kemen vs Estate

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by luvtrapguns, Jul 13, 2012.

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  1. luvtrapguns

    luvtrapguns Well-Known Member

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    My source for Kemen shells has dried up. They are now pushing Estates saying they are exactly the same as Kemens. I really like the Kemens, never tried Estate. Any input appreciated. Thanks, Marc
     
  2. trapshootin hippie

    trapshootin hippie Well-Known Member

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    I like the Estates better.

    GneJ
     
  3. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    I always liked Kemen's. I like federal top guns for singles and doubles. I understand that the Estates are basically a repackaged Top gun.

    Rio 3 drams or handicaps for caps...
     
  4. 4th. down

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    Not even on the same planet. Kemen is a premium load, Estates, well you get the drift. Estates are Estates, not repackaged Top Guns. IMHO, if you want an inexpensive 1 1/8 oz. load, Federal Field & Range and if a 1 oz. load, Federal Game & Target - both perform well and especially at their price point.

    Purchased a couple of flats of the Estate Super Competition Target load (their premium load carrying a premium price), what a huge downer. Performance was so bad I cut one open to take a look - not good but then I understood.
     
  5. Joen

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    Two years ago won 3 flats of Estates at our zone shoot in the 3 flats had 3 bad shells that would not fire so I will never shoot them again even if they are free
     
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    The Federal rep told me at the Grand this last year that the Federal Top Guns and Estates are pretty much the same shell. We were squadded together and had a nice chat after the Event. I have not cut apart any of the current production Estate and Top Guns to compare their inners and see if they actually are. Federal does own Estate now. That said, I have shot Kemens and think they are a better shell. However, don't ask me why. They all work if you do your part. Most of the difference is mental.
     
  7. Terry_Maiden

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    Kemens and Rio made in the same plant. Check to see if there is a equivalent Rio load for the Kemen you can't get any more.
     
  8. RED Z06

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    I shoot estates all the time and haven't experienced any problems. I like their handicap 1250's, 1-1/8oz #8s for 25-27 yard targets. I'm a 60/40 shooter and these really perform well.

    Thanks, Pat
     
  9. 4th. down

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    Use to be, but not anymore - Rios are made now in Tennessee. Probably a good move for them - seeimg more and more on the sporting clay courses and a good shell priced moderately.
     
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    In that price range I really like Winchester Super Targets.
     
  11. BigM-Perazzi

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    4th .down, made in Tennessee using UEE components from across the pond.

    Same shell, labors different..
     
  12. Barry C. Roach

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    All of them are better than we are.
     
  13. Ray Collins

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    I purchase 100 flats of Kemen every year and have been very happy with their performance. They were made in Spain until last year when the new plant in Tennessee began producing them. Kemen will sell direct and offer good prices if you can put a large group order together.


    Doc
     
  14. dls guide

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    Winchester Super Target shells are good shells for the money. I don't care for top guns or estates.
     
  15. Dave P

    Dave P TS Supporters TS Supporters

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    Doc: It's great that you are able to do so. Most of us are not
     
  16. Martinpicker

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    Several points here:

    1.) Estates and Federals come off the same assembly line.

    2.) No matter where the shells are made...watch who owns the company as that is where the big monney goes!

    3.) Went through ten flats of Estates without a single misfire!

    4.) Have gone through 30 flats of Pink/Wounded Warrior shells without a single misfire.

    Make your own choice. Martinpicker
     
  17. Ray Collins

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    Hi Dave,

    It didn't happen overnight. Save for it and gather a group so you will have purchasing power. It is quite simple.


    Doc
     
  18. Barry C. Roach

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    I thought the Estates came out of Texas and the Top Guns from Minnisoda.
     
  19. Ray Collins

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    The Kemen plant is in Tennessee but the sales office is in Round Rock Texas.


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  20. Hauxfan

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    I was told that Kemen shells had 6% antimony and that Estates only had a 3% antimony lead.

    I shot some Kemens at the Iowa State Shoot last year and I was impressed with what a good shell they were.

    Would shoot them any time.

    Now as for reloading, the Kemens I had were a 6 point crimp, but all the Estates I've seen are 8 point crimp which may make a difference for some of you that reload.

    Hauxfan!
     
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