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K-32 Monte Carlo Value??

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by HotRodA10, Nov 9, 2011.

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  1. HotRodA10

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    I was wondering if anyone could give me a value for a Krieghoff Model 32 Monte Carlo? The gun does NOT have the gold inlays but it has the exact same engraving pattern. The gun has a low serial number (405), all serial numbers match, has 30" barrels choked Full/Improved with an engraved hangar, and is in excellent condition with the exception of looking like the internals need to be gone through due to lever position being pretty much in-line with the lever. Can anyone help? Thanks.

    Rod
     
  2. flabigpapa

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    Rod, Just in an Effort of Help...The Position of Lever has Nothing to do with the Inside of Reciever...Position of Lever is due to wear on any given set of Barrels with Relationship to Top Latch and Barrel Shoulders. As for the Lack of Gold inlay's...If True Monte Carlo ( Silver Crown ) Inlay's would be Silver and yes it would be the Same Pattern as Crown Grade Gun Sets. Shoot Well..Shoot Often, Bart
     
  3. HotRodA10

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    Thanks Bart for clearing the wear issue. As far as the value of the gun, obviously it will be of less value than one having the gold inlays. Did Krieghoff make some of these with the same engraving pattern but without the gold? If so, what are they called?

    Rod
     
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    Rod, Shoot me a picture if possible...would be Glad to give my 2 cents. Shoot Well..Shoot Often, Bart
    P.S. There is A Monte Carlo for $8,500.00 on G.A. Very Low serial #. is this the One your talking about?
     
  5. bigbore613

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    Monte Carlo factory engraved guns are rare , supposedly only 50. The early ones normally had three inlays a side and do not bring what the later four inlays a side do. John Allem shoots one , a two digit if I remember correctly with rabbits on one side. He calls them Bunny guns. Jeff
     
  6. HotRodA10

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    Here are some pics of the gun question. It has 2 pointers flushing 3 quail on the left, it has 2 pheasants and 2 rabbits on the right, and has a flushing duck on the bottom. As you can see, there is no gold on this gun. It looks like it has an after market custom stock, and the forearm looks original and doesn't match the stock. After I added the pics, they came out really small, sorry not much help.

    Rod

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  7. flabigpapa

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    Rod, The Pictures are Hard at Best...True Monte Carlo will have Silver Inlays.
    From pic's...I can see that Rib...is what they called Diamond Post and would be Correct for Early Style Barrel...other than that I can't say anything about Engraving, as I can't see it...See Attached pic's of True Monte Carlo...Enjoy
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  8. SMITH47

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    Rod and/or Bart
    Hal dupont has a few crown grade and one monte carlo on his web site that has some good pictures..for your review and you can be sure they are authentic !

    ernie
     
  9. flabigpapa

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    Ernie, Bought mine from Hal @ the Last Grand in Ohio...was a Very Special Year for many Reasons. Shoot Well..Shoot Often, Bart
     
  10. g7777777

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    There was not a formal montecarlo grade at that serial number

    With this serial number the gun would be hard to resell if you purchase it

    I am not sure that is the top latch that goes with this gun

    Are you certain about the serial number? The pins dont appear to be in the position I would expect. Also I would expect to see a different rib on a barrel of that serial number range-

    Who is selling the gun and for what price? Length of Barrels?

    Regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
  11. HotRodA10

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    Very nice!! There is a K-32 Monte Carlo listed on Guns America Item Number: 979700679, by Southwest Shooter Supply that has the exact game scenes as the gun this thread is about. That gun has the gold inlays but the one I'm asking about does not.

    Rod
     
  12. SMITH47

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    Bart
    those little pictures sure resemble a san remo ?

    and yes all my years have become very special !


    see ya,
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  13. HotRodA10

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    Here are a couple pics of the receiver (I hope these are larger).

    Rod

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  14. flabigpapa

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    Rod, Can't say that I have ever seen one like that. By the looks of the trigger selector it's Very Early Production and would be a little concerned if the Gun was to used a Great Deal..parts for that set-up maybe Very Hard to come by, not too say that it may not be updated ?? to something more serviceable. Is it signed anywere by engraver ? Good Luck, Bart
     
  15. DB Bill

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    Not a factory engraved gun - scroll work is "off", the engraving is very cluttered, the birds and rabbits aren't done in the typical Germanic-style and look more than a little weird.


    What's it worth? Unless your most prized possesion is a Mona Lisa painted on velvet you bought in TJ walk away from this gun at any price. Save your money until you can find something that's either factory or well-done private work.
     
  16. HotRodA10

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    Bart, yes it is a very early gun #405. I noticed the barrel selector as well and I have not seen one like that either.

    Gene, this is the second gun I've asked questions about in the last few days and you have a few remarks pointing out flaws then you ask how much and where it is for sale. What's up with that???

    Rod
     
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    That gun does seem to have identical engraving to the Monte Carlo grade gun on G.A. minus the inlays, Silver, by the way, and not gold.
    With that early s/n it could have been a predessor to the Monte Carlo grade, or possibly a special order.
     
  18. HotRodA10

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    Does anyone think this would be a good buy if I could pick it up for $4,500?

    Rod
     
  19. DB Bill

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    Take a closer look on the gun on GA --- the engraving is similar but not even close in quality. I wouldn't be suprised if it was done with an electric engraving tool.

    I can't imagine paying $4500 for it - let me suggest that before you buy any engraved gun you examine more than a few guns that have been well-engraved, not just photos in books or on-line but look at them closely and use a magnifying glass.
     
  20. g7777777

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    Now I see the correct pictures

    Ok that pin is in the right place

    The trigger looks( I cant see it all like an original trigger of that era-but a Miller and not a Krieghoff)

    The rabbits make the pattern very low in the desirability range-

    Where is the silver?

    Again with that serial number- there were not named patterns at that time

    Regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
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