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Josh Sugarmann quote from the archives....

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Brian in Oregon, May 3, 2007.

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  1. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    "Assault weapons... are a new topic. The weapons' menacing looks, coupled with the public's confusion over fully-automatic machine guns versus semi-automatic assault weapons -- anything that looks like a machine gun is assumed to be a machine gun -- can only increase the chance of public support for restrictions on these weapons." -- "Assault Weapons: Analysis, New Research and Legislation" Josh Sugarmann, March 1989<br>
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    It's all about scary looks and cosmetic features.
     
  2. Steve-CT

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    I remember that quote! I think it was in some music magazine. The sad thing is, he's right and also, many forget it was actually our own gun marketing industry that coined the moniker "assault weapon" in the early 1980s.

    If you read through an old gun digest or Shooters' Bible from the 1970s - you saw three or four categories of rifles: Rifles-Bolt Action, Rifles Lever-Action, Rifles-Semi-Auto and Rifles-Other (single shot, drillings, combos, etc.) The Colt AR-15; the Valmet AK clone; the Springfield Armory M-1A; Ruger Mini-14; Remington 742; H&K, etc. all were in the general "semi-auto" category.

    Then, around 1982 there was a huge marketing push on semi-auto rifles and the marketing industry renamed them "Assault Weapons". Suddenly, there was this whole new category called "Assault Weapons"

    The AR-15, the Valmet AK clone and I believe there was a "Maadi" Eqyptian AK clone that really was the closest thing to a semi auto AK before the Chinese Norincos and Poly Techs came out; The Universal M-1 Carbine, and a bunch of small carbines people don't remember like Wilkinson "Linda" & "Terry" carbines in 9mm, the Goncz auto, etc. all of these were now in a new category called "Assault Weapons" where the old Remington 742, the Browning BAR (4-shot sporter, not to be confused with the "BAR" of WWI & WWII), the H&K 770, etc. were in the old "Rifles-Semi Auto" category.

    It was shortly after that, staff aides from Sen. Feinstein's office, literally browsed through one of these shooters' bibles or Gun Digests and bascially book marked the "Assault Weapons" pages and listed everything there into the ban from 1994.

    People also forget it was the first, Bush who actually started the legislative craze over it by banning imported "AWs" in 1989 by executive order and proposed the first magazine capacity limit of 15 rounds-never passed, but certainly paved the way for what we've been fighting ever since.

    And even before that it was in May of 1986 that actual machine guns were frozen in transferrability as a compromise slipped into a bill that relieved the restrictions on ammo record keeping and some other things. That one the NRA got 100% behind and heralded as a huge victory in a Democratic controlled Congress, caused a huge rift in the NRA and hence the subsequent decline in membership during the late 1980s (from 3 million to 2.5 million) It is those types of compromises that open the door to worse things ahead - it's like the current craze to ban .50-cal. Ban .50 today (99% of shooters don't care), then the "beachhead" has been established to ban .30-cal tomorrow. So, in 1986 machine guns were frozen (only machine guns made before May of 1986 can be sold and transferred to other class-3 licensees), 99% of gun owners say, "so what?" - the beachhead was established to launch the assault against semi autos three years later.

    And dare I say, at risk of being flamed - Bill Ruger, Sr. was no friend of ours in the end. GAAASSSP!! How can Steve say that??? That's blasphemy! Yes, I know he donated $1 million to the NRA Foundation, etc.

    Well, let me tell you about the late Bill Ruger, senior. When he realized that his Mini-14 and its select fire variant the "AC-556" were not getting large police and military contracts to the extent that he had hoped for, and when his line of high capacity pistols also failed to gain acceptance with law enforcement agencies that were using Glock, S&W, Beretta and SIG, suddenly old Bill turned on us. He began with his voluntary restrictions of 20 & 30 rd magazines for the Mini-14 which extend to this day. Those Ruger mags you do see
    in the white boxes with red Ruger logos, are RESOLD to dealers from police distributors - NOT factory sold by Ruger, and are made for Ruger by Lacey manufacturing of Bridgeport, CT for about nine dollars each.

    Pick up an old Ruger Catalog from say, 1983 or 1984 - what was he pushing on the cover? The side folding stock Mini-14, 20 & 30 rd mags and the failed "XGI" .308 Semi-auto meant to compete with the Springfield Armory M-1A.
    When was Ruger's first, 15-shot 9mm introduced??? ........ 1985. That's why it was called, the "P-85" and it retailed for about $279 with two mags and had a TWO PIECE barrel!

    The gravy train passed old, Bill's products by and he quickly shifted gears
    and launched a political tirade to knock down the other gun makers a peg by helping the antigunners by trying to distinguish his company and separate it from the rest of the industry politically realizing the legislation coming and wanting to keep the company alive. Yes, he really did help the antis. He regretted it a decade later, but he did. That is where the slogan "Responsible Firearms for Responsible citizens" came from - implying that other gun manufacturers, somehow, were not.

    (Ever notice how their website doesn't prominently display the firearms aspect of the company? - but rather takes you to a subtle, non descript link where you can choose to click on the general, industry and castings website and the firearms are a tiny little button tucked away on the side of the menu bar ?)

    Ruger then found a new identity in the cowboy action and hunting markets to keep the company viable. (anyone notice how Ruger's regular stock mini-14 managed to stay off EVERY State AW ban and the 1994 Fed ban?) - and now that Bill Ruger, Sr. has passed away and his son is no longer the CEO, the
    antis have cut their "Ruger exemption" and added the Mini to HR 1022?

    Seriously, this is the truth! I'm not making up a bunch of horsecrap! I will NEVER buy another Ruger firearm for that reason, unless or until they change their "tune" and sell the high cap mags again and get on the same page with the rest of the industry and gun ownership rights issue. Right now, the direction of the company is blowing in the wind. Maybe now, they will realize there is no "compromise" with liberals, antigunners and Anti Freedom control freaks wanting to exert political power over citizens.

    The gun industry itself, the gun press (early 1980s), "Bush-1"(1989),"McClure-Volkmer" (1986); Bill Ruger, Sr. and to some extent, the NRA all helped ignite the "assault weapons" craze and subsequent "fight for lives" every inch, every day political battle we've been facing in Congress since 1993.
     
  3. Steve-CT

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    Well, I can say that Ruger has changed their website a little since I last checked it. They do feature the firearms up front now - for years, they did not. The old site was a stationary charcoal background with an outdoorsey picture and tiny click buttons for corporate, casting and firearms.

    They still have links for corporate and casting, but the firearms do stand out with new products in a fade in / fade out slide show - defaulting to the "Target Mini-14" (They must realize the gloves are off now, politically and that the antis are after them, too) How Ironic that the new AW ban bill in Congress is called "HR 1022"!
     
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