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Ithaca Flues 5E trap gun for sale

Discussion in 'For Sale- Members only' started by Ithaca1, Aug 23, 2011.

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  1. Ithaca1

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    My name is Jeff. This is an Ithaca 5E Flues model from 1920. This means that is was strictly a gun made per customer specifications/order. It has a 34" barrel and with the Decelerator pad the lop is 14 3/8, with the original hard rubber stock cap, the lop is 14 1/8. Only 40 of these were made that year. It sold for $500. then which in todays money is about $5000.+ now. I have the paperwork of it's history from the Ithaca archives from Mr. Sidney Cleveland back in 2004. They will accompany the gun to it's new custodian. I believe it was a Christmas present because of the delivery date. How 'bout that! I have shot with this at my local club and I was always asked what it was and how much I wanted for it. It has a gorgeous set of wood on it. It was a real pleasure, but I am getting out of shotgun sports. Please make a reasonable offer of $2000. or more. A trade might be considered. Thanks for looking! Have a great day.
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    what state do you call home? I'de like to look at the gun if possible. I'll be in PA, NY, CT, MA , NH & ME this week.

    thanks
     
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    Hi Jeff:

    Have you had this gun worked on?
    If so, by whom?
    If so, what, specifically, was done?

    Gene Batchelar
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    Jeff:

    You state that the gun sold new for $500. That sounds awfully high, given that the 5E Knicks from the '20s had a MSRP of $175, the 7Es had a MSRP of $350, and the Sousa grade was $750.

    Nice looking gun however, thanks for sharing all the pics.

    Pete
     
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    The Knickerbockers came after the Flues models. I had the original price quoted to me by the curator at Ithaca, Mr. Sidney C. Cleveland. Check the Blue Book of Gun values. I live in Louisville,Ky. I had the lock adjusted on it after I bought it and took it to my gunsmith. Thanks for everybody's interest.
     
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    Just read some info from the Blue Book. It says that the 5E model was made from 1925-1986 and then again from 1988-1991. It was made from 1914-1986 and 1988-91. This notation in the book reads: "Note: Flues model mfg. prior to 1921 with serial numbers under 400,000 generally have better engraving than NID(new Ithaca Double) models over serial number 400,000(also referred to as Knick models)". This is a gun of exceptional gunmakers art quality. It does have a bottom plate(water table).

    Jeff
     
  7. BILL GRILL

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    Jeff, You are not correct on the price in 1920 for a 5e. List price from 1920 to 1930 on a 5e was $175. 7e was $335 until late 20s and $350. in 1930. You could buy a Sousa in 1920 for $700. You are correct on the number of 5e made in 1920. My info comes out of Frank Conley's book The American Single Barrel Trap Gun and Walter Snyder's The Ithaca Gun Co.

    Nice gun by the way! Looks to be in very good condition. I have a Flues 5e with 34" Barrel in my collection already or we would be talking. Good luck with your sale. Regards, Bill
     
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    I'm intrested. pm me or e-mail me what you might be intrested in a trade and will talk.

    Bruce
     
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    up for a good looking gun
     
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    Jeff:

    Highly recommended reading is Walter Snyder's book which goes into a great deal of detail about these Ithacas. The Flues model (named after the main gunsmith at the time Emil Flues) was made from the early 1900s up until 1922, at which time the improved design Knick model (named after the new gunsmith Frank Knickerbocker) were made, up through 1986. The Knick models started at serial number 400,000. From Walter's book (he has the original factory record books) guns made with serial numbers from 299800 thru 315399 were made in 1919, so yours is from that year, i.e. one of the later ones. While production stopped around 1922, they did sell them beyond that point as they used up existing parts.

    Prices for the guns were as mentioned by Bill Grill. The engraving and checkering in these guns was all by hand, and a credit to the workmanship at Ithaca at the time. Put these guns next to a comparably priced Parker Brothers and there's no comparison.

    Lovely guns, works of art in my eyes.

    It's sort of hard to see from the pictures -- to what degree is the gun original, i.e. has there been any refinishing, restoration or repairs to metal or wood? Condition of bluing and case coloring? Bore bright & shiny -- no pitting?

    Pete
     
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    Pete pretty much said much of what I posted before hand. It was made in 1920, not 1919.
     
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    Jeff:
    Seems you're not answering pdq's questions.

    "...to what degree is the gun original, i.e. has there been any refinishing, restoration or repairs to metal or wood? Condition of bluing and case coloring? Bore bright & shiny -- no pitting?"

    I'd also be interested to know the answers. Other than having your local 'smith work on the lock, what else has been done? The position of the screws' slots and condition of the slots seem to indicate someone has done some disassembly work and then put it back together with screw drivers that didn't fit, leaving signs of their work.

    Also, you say you are selling it because you are getting out of the shotgun sports, and yet you are open to trades. What kind of trades? Pistol, rifle, shotgun, RV, radar detector etc?

    Gene Batchelar
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    Sorry guys, the 5E has been sold. I have never had it apart. A reputable gunsmith just adjusted the lock. It has no signs of refurbishment. Look at the pics, guys. The bore has a tiny pit near the forcing cone. No biggie. For the use it went through and it's age, I know this gun is in pretty good shape. Thanks for everyones interest. I got more than I expected, with this economy and all. Break 'em all!

    Jeff
     
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    Is there a place to find a box to ship shotguns in? Two guys are waiting for their guns. Help!

    Jeff
     
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    UPS, Office Depot, Office Max, Staples etc.

    Or, go to a bicycle shop and ask them if they have empty boxes. Chances are they do. You'll have to cut it and tape it but I've done it and it works.

    Gene Batchelar
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    SSeitz, thanks for the suggestion. I didn't think they would have a box long enough. Thanks!

    Jeff
     
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    For boxes, call a local FFL or other gun dealer. They usually have boxes they've received guns in, and they are obviously the size and shape to ship guns.

    Danny
     
  19. Ithaca1

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    I thought about getting a box from a gun dealer, but don't they save all of them for the guns out on display? Thanks, again.
     
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