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Italy's economy, and the price of new Perazzi?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Sportshot, Oct 4, 2011.

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  1. Sportshot

    Sportshot Active Member

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    I laugh when i see the price of new Perazzi shotguns on the internet, on GunBroker and other places. Yes, there are Saudi Princes and Hedge Fund Managers who can buy all the $250k lusso grades that they can crank out, Is that what the factory will revert to, like Fabbri, Holland and Boss. A novelty, or will the bubble burst and Perazzi will drop to a $5000 retail like it should be.

    Thoughts?



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    The euro crisis and the financial crisis linked to the debt of European countries is serious,” said Mr. Leydier, whose box and paper manufacturing firm, Emin Leydier, in Lyon, often provides an early signal of seismic shifts in economic activity. “European governments need to find a solution — and fast.”

    In Italy, which has the euro zone’s third-largest economy, after those of Germany and France, a 45 billion euro austerity program aimed at reducing debt has many worried about a recession. On Tuesday, the ratings agency Moody’s downgraded Italian government bonds by three notches, to A2 from Aa2, and kept a negative outlook on the rating.

    Paolo Bastianello, the managing director of Marly’s, an Italian clothing retailer, is increasingly discouraged. At the start of the year, Mr. Bastianello was more optimistic that Europe would escape its troubles and that Italy’s government might seriously tackle the country’s problems. “But the turbulence of the markets and the uncertainty about this abnormal mass of public debt just scare people away from buying,” he said.
     
  2. porky

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    It's Greece that has the really big problem. I think that all the muslim immigrants that keep pouring into the country that is creating such a problem. The United Europe has create chaos and doen't know how to solve it. Too many entitlement programs and countries that can't afford them.
     
  3. bart.stein4@gmail.com

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    OK - now you've got me going on two subjects...First, other than pure ego I have never understood why anyone would buy a trap gun for 6 figures ( even 5 figures is hard to imagine) I guess I'm just too pragmatic to understand why I would pay that much for a gun that doesn't perform any better than a gun in the 4 figure range. I guess some shooters are like golfers, they think the newest equipment will make them a better shooter. Yes, "eye candy" is worth something, but $250,000? Secondly, the economic problems in Europe aren't related to muslim immigrants. They may cause other problems for Europe, but countries like Greece are in the same fix they've been in for at least the past 50 years. They are socialist countries and as Winston Churchill said "socialism is a great system until you run out of someone else's money" The current problem is that other marginal economies (Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Spain) have exposure to Greek debt & if Greece defaults it may take them with it, which in turn could domino to take France, Germany, etc. That would put Europe into a recession which could effect the rest of the world. All of which is why, after much protesting and threatening, Germany and France will come to Greece's rescue. In the meantime, doom-sayers will predict the sky will fall. Sorry about the soap box.
     
  4. goose2

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    The reason people buy a 6 figure trap gun is because they "CAN".
     
  5. Barry C. Roach

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    Any country using the Euro is in trouble. If we can get rid of O and Bernanke then the dollar should come back stronger.
     
  6. Setterman

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    It wasn't long ago, the elite liberal economists wanted to make the Euro the standard and dump the dollar. Hows that work'n out now??
     
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    Setterman, I remember that, they was pushing it pretty hard. I'm sure glad we didn't buy into that.
     
  8. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    CHINA will save them..
     
  9. whiz white

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    As Danielle Perazzi told me to my face at a Shot Show many years ago, the reason Perazzi's are so expensive is because we (Americans) can and will spend the money for them.

    It's Timex or Rolex. You buy what your pocketbook can afford, I guess.

    IMHO.

    WW
     
  10. Stl Flyn

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    Creating the Euro was good for Europe. The problem is when one, or more of those monitarily united countries gets into fiscal trouble, all of them end up in trouble. Maybe the Euro is doomed.
     
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    Many years ago, Europe was prospering as was America's economy... maybe his comments bordered on a bit of arrogance, but at some point, economics will always comes into play and produce "Guns vs. Butter"...

    Unfortunately, if folks stop buying Perazzi at inflated prices, Perazzi can only chisel prices to certain levels... after that it's eating into capital and that can last only so long and then "Buuuh Bye"....

    ... and that applies to any industry.

    Jay
     
  12. JerryP

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    "Americans will pay"

    Danielle Perazzi, Shotgun Sports Magazine interview.

    The economy has nothing to do with ole Danielle's greed.

    A good example is his reintroduction of the TM1 with different specs so the parts won't interchange.
     
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    To Sportshop: about the Italian ecomony problems I will like to say to Mr Bastianello that one of the problem is caused by Companies (maybe like his) that took all the production to China leaving the Italian people without work. Their products are cheap in quality but not in price.
    At this situation adds that the Banks and Insurance Companies put on the market tossic bond destroying the mondial market.
    Forget about Perazzi comment, sometime people forget where they coming from. He will sell guns even with a bad economy because with their shootguns people wins gold medal at the Olimpics.
     
  14. billyboy07208

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    Perazzi had roots with Fabbri.
    At any rate,there are a lot of used ones hardly used out there right now,even on this board it seems they outnumber Kguns and 682`s.
     
  15. bigbore613

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    No one in his or her right mind turns loose a K gun . Jeff
     
  16. 391 shooter

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    There are a lot of GREAT shotguns that shoot 10's of thousands of rounds, mounted to the shoulders of very great shooters, that are not Per-rat-zees.

    What do Per-rat-zees go through so many trigger springs, I mean to the point if you shoot one you have to have a spare 1500 to 2000 dollar trigger with you on the line, in its 150 dollar leather case strapped to your belt. Never could understand it.

    Kind of like the older Jaguars, great looking (very expensove)car, but can't keep it running.

    But hay, it is fine fine fine with me if you want to do that, I just am not going to and yes I could buy all of them I wanted if I wanted (noraml trap models), I just don't want any model of them. Yes I tried them.
     
  17. dead on 4

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    There's a whole cadre of collectors who view high end guns with high level engraving as art.

    Most of hand crafted and highly engraved guns end up in the hands of collectors who appreciate them for their artisan and craftmanship. Because these owners view them as art, they also view them as a good investment. They don't see them as shooters, just art..

    Once in while you will see some goof with to much money and to little sense waving one around on the field; he usually drives some over shined heap and wares lots of gold. The only thing he lacks is self esteem....

    I wish more of you guy's understood manufacturing and the costs involved of designing,tooling, purchasing and holding raw materials, production, production volume and velocity,labor, taxes, warehousing finnished goods,advertising, marketing, sales, insurance, export shipping and duties, out of country warehousing and so on. Then and maybe only then will you come to understand the true cost of anything much less a low volume high end shotgun aimed at a global market. You guy's want Perazzi's quality at China's prices, get over it; buy a Mossberg or stop bitching and pay up....

    And by the way, if you want a new Perazzi, Krieghoff, Blaser, Guerini, you better buy one now, cause they're going to cost more.

    Surfer
     
  18. perazzi_01

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    DEAD ON 4.....your dead on right.....first time I picked up and shot a Perazzi I knew it was the gun for me.....it had nothing to do with price....Im not a snob or rich guy....it just did what I wanted it to do better than any other gun I have shot....so I have made consesions to be able to afford one.
     
  19. Steve W

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    Do you know with the kind of economy you're talking about, Ferrari is still short in supply?

    Just north of Italy, the German car manufactory M. Benz sold out all their current production SLS AMG @average US$215,000.00 per unit.

    Next to it, the Swiss watch maker Patek Philippe has a 3 year wait on their US$1,100,000.00 NON-limited production ref. 5002 Sky Moon Tourbillon wrist watches.

    And here in S. CA, 65% of the homes over $2,000,000.00 were sold to cash buyers. There're a lots of money out there.

    If Rolex raised their MSRP twice this year, why can't Perazzi?

    BTW, Two of the so call $250,000.00 Perazzis owners I personally know paid no-where near that price for theirs. Those numbers are just for deterring unwanted inquiries.
     
  20. 391 shooter

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    $ 1,100,000 for a wrist watch?

    Holy Shit Miss Agnes(a southern saying), what kind of watch is it?
     
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