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Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by seattlesue, Sep 5, 2011.

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  1. seattlesue

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    islam is a Terrorist org. and ALL muslims are Terrorist.SS LMAO
     
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    Sue, you're right. Islam is a religion with a fundamental tenet calling for the forced conversion of infidels. So, if while LYAO, you enjoy having your "A" being forced into submission (opposite Mecca of course) or having to die(happens to us all anyway), then they are not a terrorist organization.
     
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    Forced conversion certainly doesn't,or hasn't belonged soley to Islam (and I don't know enough about it to say it does or doesn't) as I seem to recall my history books full of stories about forced and often very violently forced Catholic conversion of native Americans (north and south). Radicals in any religious faith are dangers to humanity.
     
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    Yakima, acts are different from dogma. In other words, forced conversion or death is not just an erroneous interpretation of the Koran, it is written, considered a holy obligation, tought as scripture, and practiced as part of the religion. There are no written, canonized, or worshiped teachings like this in any Christian belief. So your attempt at rationalization is pointless. Read the source material (New Testament and Koran) and then decide who forces what.
     
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    I wasn't attempting to rationalize anything - there are secular Jews and there are Ultra Orthodox Jews, secular Muslims and Taliban, and there are Christians who feel it's God's will that they murder doctors. All I'm saying is that radical fundamentalists of any religion are the most dangerous people on the planet.
     
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    When the catholic religion forced the natives of different countries to embrace the Catholic religion, the Catholic religion also embraced the religious rituals of the natives that they forced into converting. That is the fallacy of the Catholic religion.
     
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    Kill, convert, or enslave.

    Orders from the Koran.

    Muslims who seek peace with others are not true Muslims, or they are liars.

    For now, I go with the latter.

    HM
     
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    Radical fundamentalists?? Does that mean the .001% of the world's Christians should keep us up at night or 100% of the world's true Muslims?? Again, as halfmile put it, Islam's "true believers" must fall into the category of radical fundamentalists. All true Christians believe that forceful conversion or killing of non-Christians is morally unacceptable, whereas all true Muslims believe that forceful conversion or killing of non-Muslims is morally IMPERATIVE. Is it really that difficult to understand??

    Let's put it another way since this is a trap forum: A true muslim's required POI on a trap event would be 100% above the shoulders of his infidel squadmate while all of the true Christian shooters would require it somewhere above the orange disc flying away from them.
     
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    "all true Muslims believe that forceful conversion or killing of non-Muslims is morally IMPERATIVE"

    I don't know anything about the Koran but would like to look that up. Can you give me a reference?

    rm
     
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  12. yakimaman

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    Some interesting quotes from the "book".

    Deuteronomy 13: 7-11 requires the killing of those who would serve other gods:

    If your brother, the son of your father or of your mother, or your son or daughter, … tries to secretly seduce you, saying, “Let us go and serve other gods,” … you must kill him … . You must stone him to death since he has tried to divert you from Yahweh your God.

    John 15:6 says:

    If anyone does not abide in me, he shall be cast outside as the branch and whither; and they shall gather them up and cast them into the fire, and they shall burn.

    In Luke 19:27, Jesus says:

    Those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them, bring them here and kill them in front of me.
     
  13. porky

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    I can't believe that all the people on here have not read or heard of the Quran's writing in regards to infidels. The Quran simply states that the infidels must either be converted to Islam or die. That is the reason that Islam is spreading so quickly in Africa. If you care to disprove it, get a Quran yorself. They are at your local library and disprove it yourself. Don't always ask everyone else to do all of your work for you. You will learn nothing that way.
     
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    Are you saying that we should be afraid of Kareem Abdul Jabbar?

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    And don't forget Jim Brown and especially Muhammed Ali - scary! No more Turkish restaurants for me either. And Egypt, and Bosnia and Khalid - the guy I have lunch with a couple times a week. Didn't know they wanted to kill me.... are they just playing us along? Better start rounding them up - put 'em behind barbed wire until we can figure out what to do with them. And I'm going to raise hell with my nephew - he's majoring in Arabic, spent a year in Morocco and corresponds frequently with his "friends" over there. He's Roman Catholic, they're Muslim and they got a long fine - especially his Muslim Arabic Professor at MSU. But, it must be a ploy - he's sitll a devout Catholic and he's constantly around these awful, murderous Muslim people. Gonna call him tonight and tell him to drop out of Grad school until he can change programs and get the hell away from those people.
     
  16. porky

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    Barack Obama was born to a muslim father schooled in Islam. Once you are a muslim, you can never give up the religion or else you can be killed. He now says he is a Christian. Ever really wonder who is lying. By the way, the Quran says that muslims can lie throught their teeth in order to obtain their objectives.( But they cannot lie to other muslims)
     
  17. mx2k33

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    Yakima is your lunch buddy Khalid a devout Muslim? If so, try this: Drop by his house, walk in and greet his wife politely with some good 'ole American casual conversation. After her sheer horror about how she is going to reconcile her defilement by the infidel animal that just performed the unspeakable act of speaking to her, it would be fun to see how you justify your failure at being a warm fuzzy ambassador of good will. Maybe you can dig up some obscure Old Testament scripture for consolation. You will need to find a new lunch buddy though...maybe Kareem or Jim Brown.
     
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    Take the three minutes to read this. Maybe he is wrong, but what if he's right?


    David Kaiser is a respected historian whose published works have covered a broad range of topics, from European Warfare to American League Baseball. Born in 1947, the son of a diplomat, Kaiser spent his childhood in three capital cities: Washington D.C., Albany, New York, and Dakar, Senegal. He attended Harvard University, graduating there in 1969 with a B.A. in history. He then spent several years more at Harvard, gaining a PhD in history, which he obtained in 1976. He served in the Army Reserve from 1970 to 1976.

    He is a professor in the Strategy and Policy Department of the United States Naval War College. He has previously taught at Carnegie Mellon, Williams College and Harvard University. Kaiser's latest book, The Road to Dallas, about the Kennedy assassination, was just published by Harvard University Press.


    Dr. David Kaiser


    History Unfolding

    I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus.

    Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.

    We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?

    We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money. Yours and mine. And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders. Apparently not.
    We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy... Why?

    We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?

    We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?)
    We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose?

    Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, social security is nearly bankrupt, as is Medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten...And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so.

    And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Wasilla, Alaska. All of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's daughter and her $150,000 wardrobe are more important.)

    Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?

    I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now. This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again. And that is only the beginning.

    As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now.

    And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course.

    How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and ... . ... change. And the people surely got what they voted for.

    If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books.

    So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. When Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to.

    Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe. It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors.. All with the best of intentions, of course.. The road to Hell is paved with them.

    As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me.

    I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.

    I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am.

    Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections.

    David Kaiser
    Jamestown , Rhode Island United States
     
  19. R.Kipling

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    Just the tip of the iceberg.................

    http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2010/07/three-things-about-islam-video.html
     
  20. yakimaman

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    mx2k33: Bible quotes I sent are no more "obscure" than what you allege to be in the Koran. As far as having a Muslim acquaintance..... I would not offend him or his wife by attempting to engage her in conversation. Only the ignorant would do so. I've really nothing to go by except my experiences during 23 years on active duty (USAF) and the overseas assignments I had. If you watch most Americans when they're out of their own country (and I don't mean some cruise ship tourist stop) you're going to see some of the most ignorant, culturally insensitive people imaginable, with black Americans being the absolute worst. No wonder we're hated all over the place.
     
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