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Is WW III right around the corner?

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  1. wireguy

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    World War III?
    By Fay Voshell

    Bill Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard and regular commentator at Fox news, has said the closing of U.S. embassies in 21 countries is a sign of weakness on the part of the U.S. and suggests capitulation to al-Qaeda.

    He may be partly right, but chances are that the closing of the embassies auger something far more ominous. The shutdowns may be a sign of an increased conflagration in the Middle East and Northern Africa. We may be looking at the onset of World War III.

    For some time, the power-struggles of the listed nations have been largely characterized as civil wars among various Muslim factions, including the Muslim Brotherhood. But civil wars are confined within national boundaries. Once the boundary lines have bled into one another, as is presently the case with Syria, the wars become a generalized struggle, with various factions joining with the likeminded of surrounding nations. As World Wars I and II demonstrated, when war escapes national boundaries or aggressive entities invade other national boundaries, nations with a vested interest in maintaining or extending their power bases begin to team up with one another according to ideological empathies. The fighting then spreads as more and more nations get sucked into a black hole of conflict.

    As the West has gradually abandoned its former role in the area, the national lines the Allied Powers drew in the Versailles Treaty, which basically carved up the ancient Ottoman Empire, have been under incessant pressure. The pressure increased exponentially since 1979, when extremist Islamists attacked the U.S. embassy in Tehran, capturing 60 American hostages, whom these Islamists held for 444 days.

    The Islamist movement spread from nation to nation, placing the area in constant chaos. Those nations had been carved into supposedly manageable European-sized entities with the probable hope that each nation would gradually take on democratic form, with the League of Nations as a calm and judicious mentor. But the creators of the Versailles Treaty were oblivious to the intransigently authoritarian nature of Islamism, as the Middle Eastern and North African countries were at the time relatively subdued.

    Now, however, the national boundaries established in 1919 are becoming increasingly meaningless, as the Islamist movement is more about empire-building than nation-building. The West, with its long tradition of democracy, has never fully grasped the Islamist preference for authoritarianism and empire, and so it has believed that the national lines it drew would encourage the growth of democracy. What the Islamist impulse for empire means, however, is that war among the Middle East and North African nations is inevitable, as national boundaries mean nothing to those determined to re-establish the equivalent of a caliphate.

    All the above is to say that the probable reason for the closure of the U.S. embassies is that the hostilities in the area have reached such proportions that the civil wars afflicting the area are no longer containable in any meaningful way. Further, al-Qaeda and its ilk, not long ago described by the current U.S. administration as completely defeated, have doubtless metastasized to such a degree that they feel safe to attack Big Satan in its most vulnerable outposts -- outposts that have long been islands of diplomacy that is no longer possible.

    The vanishing of the Western centers of diplomacy in the Middle East and northern Africa may mean that the West has been warned -- perhaps by Israel? -- and finally sees that there is no diplomatic solution possible, regardless of the present posturing of the so-called "peace talks" between Palestinians and Israel. The "peace talks" probably should be regarded as a complete charade, kept up to the bitter end while the entire area is about to go up in flames as America exits stage left.

    Meanwhile, two chief players, Iran and Russia, are in a deadly chess game designed to ensure hegemony in the area -- a hegemony that will almost certainly be successful if Iran already has the nuclear bomb.

    But another chief player may already have signaled the U.S. that she is about to do a pre-emptive strike. While the world is focused in the utterly useless Middle East "peace talks," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, knowing beforehand that the talks will be absolutely fruitless, could have already made the decision to strike Iran's nuclear facilities. It may be that he has already sent word to President Obama, who, with the Benghazi fires still burning in the minds of the conservative media as well as in the hearts of some congressmen, is now committed to retreat. The administration does not want a dozen Benghazi-type incidents to occur before the elections of 2014 and 2016. It would be more politically expedient to close the embassies and warn Americans not to travel rather than to risk protecting either the diplomatic outposts or American citizens.

    When embassies are closed, it is usually because war is imminent. The lines of the Versailles Treaty are dissolving as nations disintegrate and new entities take shape. What those new lines will look like is anyone's guess, but it could be that Iran allied with Russia will be the biggest power-broker in the Middle East, but not without a dreadful struggle.

    The question before Israel is whether or not she will allow Iran the capacity to annihilate her, as Iran's leaders have expressly said they would like to do. Will Israel passively face another holocaust?

    Not likely.

    The survivalist mentality that has served Israel so well is probably already kicking in. Israel has often said, "Never again." For her, it is indeed now or never. It may be that the chaos and confusion now gripping the Middle East will afford her the opportune moment to strike as the nations surrounding her fight one another.

    As for the United States, it is anyone's guess as to the role this administration sees for our nation regarding Israel. There is warrant for suspecting that our president will opt out of any meaningful alliance with Israel, leaving her to face the consequences of a strike alone while he mouths empty words of support.

    Time will tell, of course.

    But in the meantime, some reading of the tea leaves is warranted, as the unprecedented closing of our embassies gives us a big clue that ominous events are happening behind the scenes, soon to burst into the open with consequences we can scarcely imagine.

    Fay Voshell may be reached at fvoshell@yahoo.com.

    Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/08/world_war_iii.html#ixzz2b9A6W5yv
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  2. crusha

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    Israel is a paper tiger nowadays, despite the wishes of the Judeo-Christian warhawk crowd.


    But hey, we can always wish.
     
  3. Borderland

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    What if all the talk about terrorists and how we intercepted the communications of the jihadists is just smoke and mirrors to dampen down the increase in unease of the American public about the level of spying on us. Little dustups like this take a lot of pressure off the Obama administration in several areas.
     
  4. CalvinMD

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    The way things are going right here in the USA,..I think Civil War II is probably more likely ..WWIII would be over in a flash (pun intended)
     
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    i just bought 900 rounds of 5.56,when the shit hits the fan i want to be ready. and i think within 5 years it will. joseph
     
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    I'd agree with Borderland. This administration is not beyond anything.
     
  7. birdogs

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    Buzz-Gun,

    No nation with a nuclear Arsenal and the means to deliver it is a paper tiger.

    Birdogs
     
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    I agree, when cornered, the fangs could come out.

    How involved Russia is with Iran could be a problem.
     
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    What redfin1956 says "i just bought 900 rounds of 5.56, when the shit hits the fan i want to be ready. and i think within 5 years it will. joseph"
    I have been saying this for the past year. The shit is going to hit the fan but I don't give it as many years as Barfin.
    I don't know if it will be Civil or World but something is going to happen, we look too weak to the rest of the world because of this administration and there is too much Civil unrest with race relations, the haves' and don't haves'. Something has to give. Obama will soon accomplish his goal of bringing America down. Bulge
     
  10. wolfram

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    WWIII has been 'right around the corner' my entire life. Just about did happen in the early 60's then again in 83. Those are just two times we generally know about.

    Not something worth dwelling on as if/when it happens we are all done for.
     
  11. Johnny

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    redfin, you are all set for the first couple of days fighting. When there's a break in the action you and bulge can just go to MickeyD's for lunch.
     
  12. wireguy

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    The thing that caught my eye in the article I posted is that all those borders that were established by the western powers many decades ago are no longer being held together by the west. Since the west under zero has walked away from the middle east there is no longer a bully holding the middle east together in that fashion. Old borders and old suppressed rivalries may take shape and put the entire middle east in play with Russia stepping in to take her share. Out of that anything may happen.
     
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    I agree with Johnny, if the shit hits the fan 900 rounds won't last long.
     
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    I would trade 10 cans of spam for 300 rounds of .223.
     
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    No one has mentioned internment camps during this conflict. We must round up the Muslims as we did the Japanese in WWII. That would mean the POTUS must be detained and interned.

    Or would he intern the non-Muslim Americans? His upbringing in the Muslim world and his books tell the story. He sent F-16's to Egypt/The Muslim Brotherhood. He's ignored Iran's buildup. Claimed Al Qaeda was on the decline. Would not declare Benghazi a terrorist act. Weakened the FBI's ability to address Muslim surveillance. He's presiding over the greatest long term economic decline the US has experienced since the Great Depression. Continues spending policies that disable our national ability to pay down the national debt. Discourages use of natural resources that allowed us to become a world power and maintain that status for generations. Not to mention the overall moral decline of the nation via non-traditional anti-Christian values. Our national defense forces have been stripped down and the morale is declining.


    The true intentions will be known in the future. Some of us don't require a crystal ball.
     
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    So Is It Eastasia Or Eurasia?


    August 6, 2013 by Bob Livingston

    So Is It Eastasia Or Eurasia?
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    “I said we’d refocus on the people that actually attacked us on 9/11 and today, al-Qaida is on the run and bin Laden is dead.” — Barack Hussein Obama, stump speech in Miami, Oct. 11, 2012

    “High-level people from al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula are talking about a major attack.” – U.S. Representative and House Intelligence committee member C.A. “Dutch” Ruppersberger (D-Md.) on ABC’s “This Week,” Aug. 4

    “This is the most serious threat that I’ve seen in the last several years. There’s been an awful lot of chatter out there” among terrorists planning attacks. – Senator and Intelligence Committee member Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.) on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Aug. 4

    Would someone please explain this to me?

    We’re told al-Qaida is the enemy. We’ve been told they were responsible for the original 9/11 attacks and that we’ve fought and are fighting a 12-year-long war in Afghanistan and fought an eight-plus year war in Iraq to defeat them. We currently have assets fighting them in Pakistan, Syria, several African countries and probably in some places we haven’t heard about. But the U.S. Army is paying al-Qaida-affiliated companies — companies with ties to the Afghan insurgency, the Taliban, Haqqani network and al-Qaida — while fighting those same al-Qaida and Taliban forces in Afghanistan.

    Yet when al-Qaida rose up to overthrow Moammar Gadhafi in Libya, U.S. and NATO assets covered for them and supplied them with arms. And when al-Qaida rose up to overthrow Bashar Assad in Syria, Obama signed a secret order authorizing U.S. support for them. Senators like John McCain and Lindsey Graham have called for even more support, including a no-fly zone, which is an overt act of war.

    The United States was running arms to al-Qaida in Syria through the consulate in Benghazi, Libya. Al-Qaida attacked the consulate and killed four Americans there. But Obama said they didn’t.

    Those al-Qaida operatives being supported by the U.S. have gassed civilians, beheaded Christians and burned them in churches, and even eaten the heart of a vanquished enemy.

    Now, we’re told an attack on the scale of the original 9/11 attack is eminent; and it’s coming from al-Qaida. It could be in the United States. It could be anywhere. Our embassies and diplomatic posts have closed in 19 countries. Graham says al-Qaida has been on steroids since the Benghazi attack, and he’s scared.

    This is all very confusing.

    So is it Eastasia or Eurasia? Are those affiliated with al-Qaida the good guys or the bad guys? Does anyone else care enough to ask?

    Filed Under: Conservative Politics, Freedom Watch
     
  17. halfmile

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    Reread 1984. This seems much like how we are getting our information now. 3 more years of destroying America may well succeed.

    HM
     
  18. Jim101

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    Not to worry, As soon as the killing starts there will be plenty of opportunity to salvage more ammo and more weapons.



    Jim
     
  19. darr

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    A very interesting article. I tend to believe the political angle of the story. You must remember we are talking about Obama. Everything is for POLITICAL ADVANTAGE. Remember he wants to reshape the country. With control of the house anything would be possible for him.

    He is closing the embassies because he doesn't want any trouble until after the 2014 elections.


    Darr
     
  20. Auctioneer

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    What you all should be worried about is Obama starting a race war and then calling Martial Law. That means he then can be Pre a 3 time. Be very worried about that.