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Is this what the founders of the ATA envisioned

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by perga1, Aug 7, 2008.

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  1. perga1

    perga1 Active Member

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    EVENT # 1 - RICHARD SHRODE SINGLES
    CHAMPION *** T I E *** 100

    RUNNER UP *** T I E *** 100

    THIRD PLACE *** T I E *** 100

    CLASS AAA WINNER *** T I E *** 100

    CLASS AAA RUNNER UP *** T I E *** 100

    CLASS AAA 3RD PLACE *** T I E *** 100

    CLASS AA WINNER *** T I E *** 100

    CLASS AA RUNNER UP *** T I E *** 100

    CLASS AA 3RD PLACE *** T I E *** 100

    CLASS A WINNER *** T I E *** 100

    CLASS A RUNNER UP *** T I E *** 100

    CLASS A 3RD PLACE PENDING CARRYOVER

    CLASS B WINNER *** T I E *** 100

    CLASS B RUNNER UP *** T I E *** 100

    CLASS B 3RD PLACE *** T I E *** 100

    CLASS C WINNER *** T I E *** 99

    CLASS C RUNNER UP *** T I E *** 99

    CLASS C 3RD PLACE *** T I E *** 99

    CLASS D WINNER PENDING CARRYOVER

    CLASS D RUNNER UP PENDING CARRYOVER

    CLASS D 3RD PLACE *** T I E *** 97

    SR. VETERAN WINNER *** T I E *** 100

    SR VETERAN RUNNER UP *** T I E *** 100

    SR VETERAN 3RD PLACE *** T I E *** 100

    VETERAN WINNER *** T I E *** 100

    VETERAN RUNNER UP *** T I E *** 100

    VETERAN 3RD PLACE *** T I E *** 100

    SUB JUNIOR WINNER PENDING CARRYOVER

    SUB JUNIOR RUNNER UP *** T I E *** 99

    SUB JUNIOR 3RD PLACE *** T I E *** 99

    JUNIOR WINNER *** T I E *** 100

    JUNIOR RUNNER UP *** T I E *** 100

    JUNIOR 3RD PLACE *** T I E *** 100

    LADY WINNER *** T I E *** 100

    LADY RUNNER UP *** T I E *** 100

    LADY 3RD PLACE *** T I E *** 100

    CHAIR SHOOTER WINNER PENDING CARRYOVER

    CHAIR SHOOTER RUNNER UP PENDING CARRYOVER
     
  2. bcnu

    bcnu Active Member

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    And how many entries were there? Sounds like a combination of better equipment and components, a lot of practice, and a good day of shooting by all those individuals. John
     
  3. dverna

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    It appears there will be a few "free" targets thrown to decide many of the standings.

    I wish I could be there, post a 100, and enjoy the shoot-off while a friend or two cheer me on.

    Don
     
  4. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps the solution is to have a gauge reduction since most trap fields cannot add longer shooting lanes.<br>
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    (Awaiting the mob with torches.)
     
  5. j2jake

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    Actually the gauge reduction is one of the better ideas I've heard. Good one! Jake
     
  6. Setterman

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    I'm with you Brian. 20 gauge singles? 28 gauge singles even better.
     
  7. grnberetcj

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    No matter the gauge...the winners now will be winners then.

    It's great to observe just how badly the losers hate winners!

    Curt
     
  8. Gunnerandbabe

    Gunnerandbabe TS Member

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    It's the GRAND boy's. I think some of the good shooter's are there.
     
  9. j2jake

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    Curt I think you've had one too many riser burns. No said anything about not liking winners! Jake 16Z ret.
     
  10. senior smoke

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    i don't think so. i miss the days when a score of 92 in handicap meant you might still have a chance to win. i feel that ammunition is one of the main reasons scores have reached record highs. another reason, years ago not many good shooters, revealved how they shot, or gave out any good tips, you had to earn your knowledge and good scores by shooting alot of targets. today, with classes being given by all americans, i think this has helped by higher scores being shot. i don't really feel all the barrel work in the world will really help you obtain higher scores. barrel work may allow you to smoke targets, reduce recoil. i feel if you can break a target with a standard gun out of the box, you will break the same target with a tricked up barrel. put a model 12 or a itaca 4 e in the hands of the great shooters, if the gun fits them, they will still probably win.
    steve balistreri
     
  11. grnberetcj

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    Jake...

    Didn't mean "You".....it's just that each year we always hear this same BS about the scores at the Grand...

    I would be griping if those scores were lower....

    Curt
     
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    the founders of the ATA would be ecstatic if they saw that
     
  13. jbbor

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    The founders envisioned a sport and not quilting bee! Jimmy Borum
     
  14. perga1

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    Cole-Mitchell, really? You think a class that requires an average below 88 in the 5 class system should be seeing ties for Class "D" 3rd at 97? These scores are the reason new shooters get so discouraged and walk away from the game. They don't stop shooting, thank god, they just stop shooting ATA. The ATA is dying a slow death and people like you and Curt can't see the forrest for the trees. JRM
     
  15. W.P.T.

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    The Founders are spinning in their graves, but Jimmy is right about the sport part ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
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    This what you get with soft target and easy angles if the ATA went back to the old rules and set the target as it was the 100 striaght would be an honor and not the nornal and it would draw more people to shot at large events instead of knowing who going to win The history of the ata over the passed till now will show the differents, when it was, and how it is now.The proof is in records.
     
  17. Brian in Oregon

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    cmptrwhz, quote: "....the 100 striaght would be an honor and not the nornal....">br>
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    Exactly. 100 straights are the normal for too many people. And it won't change because no one getting 100 straights wants to see it made more difficult, because they might not make it to the next tier. ATA trapshooting is designed to protect the upper tier status quo.<br>
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    I wonder if ATA trapshooting will eventually become irrelevant. Ponder this - is there enough new blood staying with the sport to keep it going? Or are they shooting skeet or sporting clays instead, if they remain with shotgun sports at all?
     
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    cmptrwhz, After reading your post I was left to wonder just how "hard" targets and bigger angles would help an 88 shooter shot a better score. I am not insinuating that they wouldn't, mind you' but I was wondering how that would help them. I just can't grasp the mechanics of it.
     
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    "The founders envisioned a sport and not quilting bee!" Jimmy Borum, now that was really funny....... and sooooooo very true. LOL
     
  20. Brian in Oregon

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    Sportshot, that's another major turn off - sandbagging in the lower classes. But that goes right back to the upper classes being so full of 100 straights that it causes trickle down cheating.
     
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