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Is a Win Mdl 70 22-250 a good gun?

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Shooting Jack, May 15, 2008.

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  1. Shooting Jack

    Shooting Jack Active Member

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    An acquaintance of mine is needing some money and offered to sell me a Winchester Mdl 70 22-250 with a $250.00 Nikon scope for $300.00. The gun has a bull barrel and has a wood stock that is pretty beat up but metal looks good. I'm not familiar with the gun or what it is mainly used for. I think it's mainly a varmint gun but know of a few folks that use it for the little whitetail we have down south. Appreciate your response and opinion.
     
  2. ec90t

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    At that price, you can't go wrong. With that in mind, There is a reason why it is beat up. It's probably one dandy of a shooter!

    ec90t
     
  3. Shooting Jack

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    What is that caliber mostly used for? Coyotes? Jackie B.
     
  4. ec90t

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    Coyotes, prarie dogs, ground hogs, etc. A great varmit round.

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  5. dkimbler

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    This is one if not close to the best caliber you could get for varmits. I have made shots up to 500 yds. The 220 Swift is slighly faster, but the 22-250
    out performs it after 300 yds. Put you a good stock on this gun, with a moderate priced scope and you will have a $800.00 outfit.

    David K.
     
  6. sglfr45

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    If you don't buy it, I will! Sight unseen!

    Matt
     
  7. Frye

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    And if Matt don't buy it, I will! One of the best varmit guns I've ever shot! The 22 250 is by far, my favorite rifle caliber ever.
     
  8. Pocatello

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    David K, what magic allows a .22-250 to outperform a Swift after 300 yards? Using the same bullets, a Swift has higher muzzle speed than a .22-250, so at any given range will be faster than the .22-250, hence less drop and higher energy at any given range. The difference isn't much, but it is there.
     
  9. 682LINY

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    start the bidding,,,if you dont want it ,,,I do,,,,have a Ruger 77 in 22-250 and a Win M 70 in 243 wssm,,,,never to many long range toys
     
  10. RogerNRA

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    David K, please explain how the 22-250 gets better than the swift after 300 Yds.......?????????..........Roger
     
  11. coyote268

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    For those doubters about the 22-250 versus 220, remember, weight in motion stays in motion. Basic law of balistics.
    Dan
     
  12. TOOLMAKER 251

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    The normal rate of twist of both the 22-250 and the swift are 1-14" and the swift will send them down the tube faster then the 22-250 any weight from 40gr to 70gr. The 220 swift is best with the 52gr bullets.
     
  13. RLSS

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    Yes, a 250 is good caliber, but it is NOT the equal of a 220 Swift.

    PBB, David K.: I have to call "Bullshit" on those two threads.

    Most modern 250's and 220's have 1 in 14 twist barrels from the factory. Given equal weight projectiles, a Swift always has the capability to create more muzzel velocity than a 250. More MV, more downrange performance, always, simple physics. On equal footing, thinking a 250 will do anything better than a Swift "past 300 yards" is a very poorly concieved notion.

    The original Swift factory loading was 48 grains, that's what they needed to use to get to 4000 FPS, which is what Winchester wanted to tout.

    Stating that these calibers were designed to handle differnt weight projectiles is conjecture at best. Both handle 40 -55 grain projectiles almost the same, almost meaning the Swift is always faster.

    If you start mixing apples and oranges, such as twist rates and bullet weights I am sure you could load a 250 to best a 220, but again on equal footing, and most factory 250's and Swifts are on equal footing, the Swift wins every time, do the math.

    Both are great varmit rounds, and by most measures the Swift's edge on the 250 is about 5%, which is about exactly what the case capacity differnce is.



    RLSS
     
  14. Pocatello

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    Another one I have never believed is the 7mm-08 versus the 7x57. Sure, if you load the 7x57 to low pressures for antique guns it is a slacker, but in a modern M77 or the like it's not so. The 7x57 has a little more case capacity than the 7mm-08, so you get a little more performance, just as you do from the 6mm Remington (i.e. the 7x57 case necked to 6mm) versus the .243 (the .308/7mm-08 case necked to 6mm). In exterior ballistics there is no magic or free lunch. More powder burned at the same pressures yields more speed.
     
  15. CalvinMD

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    Get that 22-250 and don't worry about the Swift being faster....barrel life is longer as the Swift is really hard on throats and the couple hundred feet per second difference will not matter to a 400yd gopher...My post 64 standard weight Model 70 on a still day will do a 2" group at 300 yds 39gr H380 over a 52gr Berger bullet...they are shooters
     
  16. Jollytrapshooter

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    I have a newer 22-250, and I have found it to be an awesome cartridge. I loaded some 50 grain Hornady's for it and took it out, the loads I was using went through the chronograph right around 4000 FPS. I then loaded about 500 rounds for it and went to South Dakota prairie dog hunting with a friend of mine. With a couple of guess shots, we could nail them out to nearly 800 yards. It certainly is fun when the only way you can spot them is when they move, then you just take a shot or two and normally the second or third shot would hit them. But the close range shots were fun too, with the v-max bullets, they would just explode when you hit them right. JMO, Josh.
     
  17. Shooting Jack

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    Thanks for your help guys. I bought it and believe I will try my hand at some coyotes. I've had a couple of game tapes and never tried them but feel the urge since it's quite a while before deer and dove season. I haven't broke the gun down yet but it seems to be very clean and will get a look at the bore and shoot it a few times. Jackie B.
     
  18. dkimbler

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    Guns and Ammo Ballistics: Both Calibers use 40 gr. bullet(Ck. chart)

    Velocity= 300yd=2624,400yd=2238,500yd=1885 (per sec)
    220 Swift Engery= 300yd=611, 400yd=445, 500yd=316 (pounds)
    Trajectory= 300yd=-4.0,400yd=-12.9,500yd=-27.4 (drop)



    Velocity= 300yd=2699,400yd=2293, 500yd=1932 (per sec)
    22-250 Engery= 300yd=647, 400yd=467, 500yd=331 (pounds)
    Trajectory= 300yd=-4.2,400yd=-13.3,500yd=-28.9 (drop)

    Note: 220 Swift is a ballistic tip
    22-250 is a hollow point
    Note: Overall I perfer speed and engery over the 500yd shortage of 1.5"
     
  19. dkimbler

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    Pocatello: I refer to a Guns and Ammo Ballistic chart that you will find
    that I sent on Saturday May 17th. Of course it is a matter of
    choice for all of us. What ever you have and have been succesful
    with is the best. Like politics.
     
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