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Interesting Article: Is this legal??

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  1. Beau69

    Beau69 Active Member

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    Food for thought. Wonder if anybody out there is doing this??

    http://www.tipsforshooting.com/trap/Tax_Deductible_Trap_Shooting.php

    Beau
     
  2. Easystreet

    Easystreet Well-Known Member

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    Here you go. Click on the website above. Website URL's don't work when included in the body of the post on this site.
     
  3. School Teacher

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    Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.

    My understanding is that a business must produce income on some periodic basis or it will be considered by the IRS as a hobby. A hobby is not tax deductable.

    If you are winning significant amounts of money, teaching classes for a fee, etc., I would consult a tax advisor before I filed a tax return claiming deductable expenses for trapshooting.

    If you happen to hit a "big one", you may be able to offset some of the prize money won with expenses incurred in the year you won a "big one." You will need documentation.

    Ed Ward
     
  4. DecalDude

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    Well I was told as an officer of the Trap Club(not for profit organization) I can claim my mileage back and forth to the club or if I go pick items up for club use.

    Jerry Lewis
     
  5. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    If you generate your income from trapshooting, the answer is... maybe. But you are consistently in the red, you may wind up with your business being declared a hobby.

    If you do not generate income from trapshooting, the answer is probably no. Other than being able to declare some expenses against a big payout.
     
  6. dmarbell

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    Read for yourself. Also get the publication referred to, Publication 535.

    The hobby loss rules place burden of proof and presumption of hobby or not. Profit motive has to be there.

    Danny
     
  7. Beau69

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    BustiShooter09,

    You can only deduct mileage if your business is to do some kind of work for the club. Also, your services must be unique. In other words, the function must require your presence. For example, if you're the range master and you have the keys to the club and they need you to open it up or no one can shoot, you can probably deduct your mileage.

    Then you have to discount the value you got out of the event. If you shoot while you're there, then you got some value out of being there and must reduce your deduction by the amount of value you derived.

    A simple way to look at it is Girl Scout Cookies. If a box of cookies cost $4, you cannot deduct the whole $4 because you derived some value from the cookies. It's crazy and not usually worth the effort to deduct things like mileage and cookies.

    When I was the state coordinator for a non-profit organization I traveled over 15,000 miles a year for them. I deducted all that mileage. If I traveled less than 5,000 miles I don't think it would have been worth the effort to deduct it.

    Face it, Trap is a hobby. Go shooting and stop thinking about how to get something more than shooting enjoyment. Your scores will improve.
     
  9. halfmile

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    Trapshooting, racing, gambling, all are treated the same way AFIK by the IRS.

    You can deduct espenses to the extent of your winnings.

    And that's all. So if you hit a big one in any of those endeavors, it's nice to have documetation.

    HM
     
  10. 635 G

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    Not the idea of legality-it might be enough of a red flag to cause an audit. Risk vs. reward. When i had my own business, I asked my accountant, could I take my boat & a room in my house for a home office. He said to me the money you save would cover his time before an IRS auditor. Don't worry about saving money,worry about making money.

    Phil Berkowitz
     
  11. JTEA

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    I believe my accountant does this, should sum it up. If you don't know the details it may cost you much more than you are planning. I have heard others discuss it, but I can't imagine "making it stick" unless you have a related business such as clothing sales at shoots, reloading supplies, gunsmith. I think the comment about winning big, then deducting is about the only feasible approach.

    JT
     
  12. Gary Waalkes

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    Back when I lived on Long Island NY, my old fishing partner tried it with his boat. Now in those years, you could sell fish without a commercial license but a commercial license did not cost what it does now either. But after a few years, the IRS ruled the boat a hobby and wanted their money +. He made payments and got audited for several years there after.

    Our tax system is voluntary - just don't be surprised when they rule against you a few years down the road.
     
  13. sliverbulletexpress

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    Sooner or later you will get real acquainted with the IRS if you claim hobby expenses against your income.
     
  14. wayneo

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    This Article comes from James Russell Publishing.

    Need I say more............?

    Wayne
     
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    Ed Ward's advise is the best I have seen.

    What I do every year is start a folder in Jan and put all of my shooting expensies in that folder. IF I happen to be awarded a 1099 I can then offset the tax burden.

    Recomend throwing away the folder if you do not use it. You might have stick shock on how much you spend on shooting!

    Ronbo
     
  16. Dickgshot

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    Every now and then someone digs out that crap from James Russell and this discussion starts all over - with the usual misinformation. Because of a quirk in the tax law, you cannot fully offset trapshooting winning with your expenses. While hobby income is reportable as "miscellaneous income" on form 1040 page 1, the expenses are only deductible as miscellaneous itemized deductions on Schedule A-itemized deductions.

    So, first you have to have enough deductions to itemize, you can't take the standard deduction. Secondly, those deductions are subject to an exclusion of 2% of your adjusted gross income.

    Since the deductions themselves are limited to the amount of income, the 2% exclusion means you won't be able to offset all your trapshooting winnings. (The deduction limitation is "income," not income plus the 2%. There is another category of miscellaneous deductions that isn't subject to this exclusion, but hobby income doesn't qualify for that.)


    Also, you can't use Schedule C (business form) because it's generally not a business. BTW there is no requirement that you ever have to show a profit to have trapshooting considered a business. The most important factor is that you have a profit motive (not just a hope), and that recreation is not the real reason for the expenses.


    If you try to handle it any other way, the IRS computer may catch it -or it may not -so if you did it wrong and didn't get caught-well that happens. You were lucky-like breaking a target with your eyes closed.


    Also, expense you incur doing work for your gun club only qualify as charitable contributions if the club is a 501(c)(3)organization like the ATA. Very few clubs have that status.
     
  17. drh08

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    This is sort of related, however I know of a parent that shoots with his child that is being home schooled. Turns out that all shoot expenses are deducted as educational expenses for home schooling.
     
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