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Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by a budine, Oct 18, 2008.

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  1. a budine

    a budine Member

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    Hi. I need info...do any of you gun dealer guys know why the FBI puts holds on gun purchases?? I've had two held in the past 18 months and have no idea why. Nothing in my life or past is different - Is there a way I can find out why the holds and redress the records?? For the record...I am a retired teacher and part time corrections officer...not exactly a criminal element type! I still got the guns I was after, but it is annoying make additional trips to the gun shop for the sake of bureaucracy. Thanks. Al Budine
     
  2. halfmile

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    No, but if it's anything like the credit records there are lots of holes in the system.

    MY son has the same name as I do, and a Dispute with Waste Management led to a bad credit report which frogged up a mortgage deal for a week while I got it resolved.

    They thought I was him, and even though the middle initial was not the same, they had filed without it.

    A friend had your problem, and never found out why either.

    HM
     
  3. Jack Heinson

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    The NICS operation center just underwent a internet facelift.The last 2 background checks I did were delayed. Not sure they have the program bugs out yet.
     
  4. shooterIII

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    LMAO You got them hook line and sinker Al Bunde or should I say Al Bundine
     
  5. ricks1

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    yes you can when you have one delayed tell the gun shop to ask NICS why the delay they will tell him most of the time its because of a name like smith-jones-adkins so many and also a forigen name will get pulled but they dont keep the info [they say] any way the next time you buy a gun[if you can after nov4] tell the gun shop it will be delayed for? and he can tell them most of the time it will go in a few min. I have 2 guys that have a problem one has a SS No that is 1 number different than a fellon with same name, the other has a odd Itailian name. When i tell them it will show delay the kick me to another person that has more records[ that is why I said they DO keep some records} rick
     
  6. Fast Oil

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    Al, call the NICS customer service center 1-877-324-6427 (select menu option #2) and they can help. If you are in a POC state you will most likely be referred back to the state's appeals procedures.

    A couple things to remember when filling out the ATF 4473 form. If you do not supply a SS# (optional) this may slow the process if there is a simular named person that is of questionable background.

    If you have ever had a security clearance from the military or government you will always get kicked up to more scrutiny.

    If you are in a state with a CCW, you can get your license and avoid the problem all together in the future.

    Hope some of this info helps.

    Here is a side story. Had a customer that always got a 3 day hold. He contacted NICS and found that his record still showed an assult charge against him that was supposed to be exsponged. He had to hire a lawyer in the state where it happened to have it cleared. This was one of those things that happened when he was a minor. He is in his 30's.
     
  7. cubancigar2000

    cubancigar2000 Well-Known Member

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    Same thing happened to me a few years ago ( thank Bill Clinton for it) I went and got a conealed carry permit ( in less than tw weeks) and now I have no prob. I wrote the FBI and ATF and got a letter stating it was because of my Viet nam service??? I guess they think we are all crazy
     
  8. a budine

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    Thanks for your input - I already have an CCW (since 1969) and live in upstate NY - the rural part of the state. I provided my SS# on the form - still delayed. I will call the NCIS tomorrow to see if this can be resolved. Damn - all this hassle and the Dems aren't even in office yet! Also, my son is trying to buy a gun in Iowa and have it shipped here - had to contact the dealer and make sure he sent a 10-shot model, not a 15-shot one. Also, the local dealer will have to take it to the state police to have them fire one round and send the fired case to Albany for recording. Another $25.00 fee... I'd like to move to another state...maybe Alaska or Vermont.
     
  9. ricks1

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    If you have a CCW we [ffls] dont need to call NICS tell the gun shop rick
     
  10. TOOLMAKER 251

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    ricks1, your statement is not 100% true. In Pa. if you have a CCW your still going to go thru a background check when buying a gun.
     
  11. XP100

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    A used handgun coming to NY does NOT need a fired casing. New ones do. Millions spent on Ballistic fingerprinting in NY and not one crime solved yet.
     
  12. Shooting Jack

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    There is a new program just implemented that can fix the problem but I wouldn't recommend it. You have to get fingerprinted and they get put on file(voluntarily) so you will never have this problem again. There is also a new 4473 and you have to be careful how you fill it out. The way it is worded, you can not buy a gun for anyone else as a present or otherwise. Jackie B.


    PS. If you want more info about the fix to delays email me your phone nbr and I'll call you in the evening.
     
  13. ricks1

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    toolmaker-- PA and some other states have a waiting period most of the time that is to send a copy to a local law agency. everyone fills the 4473 out but in some states FFLs dont have to do a nics, if you have a ccw or are a cop. It looks like PA has a 48hr delivery time and the 4473 is sent to 2 in state agencys. rick
     
  14. AJ100

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    Rick, we here in PA. used to have the waiting period. We used to have to send a copy of the "application to purchase" form to the state, to the county, keep one copy on file, and the purchaser got a copy. When the waiting period was up we had to do the same thing with the "record of sale" forms. Tons of paperwork.

    When the PIC(Pennsylvania Instant Check) started, all we have to do is call the number. If the buyer is good to go, he takes the firearm with him.

    A CCW permit does NOT permit us to bypass the instant check. The 4473 is not sent to anyone. It stays in our files. We then have to send in a form with all the sales and checks we did. PA collects money for each check. Another "revenue stream" for our state. BTW, I just received my NEW packet of 4473's. Everytime the feds find another oops on the form, they print "new and improved" versions. I would like to have the money(OUR TAX MONEY) they spend just on the paper and printing of these new forms.

    Tom(AJ100)
     
  15. TOOLMAKER 251

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    Ricks 1, your wrong again. There is no waiting period in Pa. Instant background check and walk out the door. Where are you getting all your bad info?
     
  16. bluehaze

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    I think that buyers in Nevada lost the CCW right to no background check due to the lazy state law makers. The ATF wanted a uniform CCW in all counties, the lawmakers failed to do so and as a result the ATF pulled the no background check with a CCW. The ATF had granted a long extension, but legislature failed to act.

    If I mis- read the ATF ruling let me know.

    Chuck
     
  17. eagles11

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    FBI does have fix and you only need call them and they will walk you through it. After word they will issue you a number to be placed on your 4473 to identify you from the rest of the herd.

    Jack
     
  18. 1100shooter

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    In Ohio, a CCW permit does not over-ride the requirement for a NICS check.

    The reason is that the CCW permit is county sherrif approved after a brief local and BCI check and the firearns transaction is federally approved.

    Having a military (or any) security clearance does not have any effect on completed or delaying the check. I deal with dozens of folks who have Top Secret and higher security clearances and are not delayed.

    Normally the delay is caused when the NICS office requires additional time for review; usually due to a common name or close SSN to a disapproved request.
     
  19. larryjk

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    ricks1, I don't know where you got the information that the gunshop owner can get information relative to the reason approval is delayed or denied. That is not true. Only the affected person can get that information, meaning the person being delayed or denied.
    I have the nice little brochures that explain the procedures if an affected person feels they want to get their record cleared.
    The current computer update is causing all kinds of problems and I simply ask for a supervisor when this happens on a NICS check. They can usually get the problem ironed out while I hold the line.
     
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