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Insanity in Arizona.... Ammo serialization...

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Brian in Oregon, Feb 12, 2008.

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  1. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Ammunition serialization. No non-serialized ammo may be kept by a private citizen after 2011. It would appear de facto that reloading would simply not be possible. A half penny tax on every cartridge. Every box of ammo must have a serial number unique to that box.<br>
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    HB 2833<br>
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    Introduced by Representatives Garcia M, Lopez: Alvarez, Bradley, Campbell CL<br>
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    AN ACT<br>
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    amending title 41, chapter 12, article 5, Arizona Revised Statutes, by adding section 41-1772; relating to the department of public safety.<br>
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    Be it enacted by the Legislature of the State of Arizona:<br>
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    Section 1. Title 41, chapter 12, article 5, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by adding section 41-1772, to read:<br>
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    START_STATUTE41-1772. Ammunition coding system database; sale of ammunition; tax; fund; civil penalty; violation; classification; definition<br>
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    A. Beginning january 1, 2009, a manufacturer shall code all handgun and ASSAULT weapon AMMUNITION that is manufactured or sold in this state. This section applies to all calibers.<br>
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    b. Beginning january 1, 2011, a private citizen or a retail vendor shall dispose of all noncoded AMMUNITION that is owned or held by the citizen or vendor.<br>
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    c. The department shall establish and maintain an ammunition coding system database containing a manufacturer registry and a vendor registry.<br>
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    D. A manufacturer shall:<br>
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    1. Register with the department in a manner prescribed by the department by rule.<br>
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    2. Maintain records on the business premises for at least seven years concerning all sales, loans and transfers of ammunition to, from or within this state.<br>
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    3. Encode ammunition provided for retail sale for regulated firearms in a manner that the director establishes so that:<br>
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    (a) The base of the bullet and the inside of the cartridge casing of each round in a box of ammunition are coded with the same serial number.<br>
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    (b) Each serial number is engraved in such a manner that it is highly likely to permit identification after ammunition discharge and bullet impact.<br>
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    (c) The outside of each box of ammunition is labeled with the name of the manufacturer and the same serial number used on the cartridge casings and bases of bullets contained in the box.<br>
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    4. Pay the tax levied by subsection I of this section.<br>
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    E. A manufacturer shall not label ammunition contained in one ammunition box with the same serial number as the ammunition contained in another ammunition box that is produced by the same manufacturer.<br>
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    F. A vendor shall:<br>
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    1. Register with the department in a manner prescribed by the department by rule.<br>
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    2. Record the following information in a format prescribed by the department:<br>
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    (a) The date of the transaction.<br>
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    (b) The name of the purchaser.<br>
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    (c) The purchaser's driver license number or other government issued identification card number.<br>
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    (d) The date of birth of the purchaser.<br>
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    (e) the unique identifier of all handgun ammunition or bullets transferred.<br>
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    (f) All other information prescribed by the department.<br>
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    3. Maintain records on the business premises for at least three years after the date of the recorded purchase.<br>
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    G. The department shall establish the ammunition coding system database within the framework of any existing firearms databases.<br>
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    H. Access to information in the ammunition coding system database is reserved for law enforcement personnel. The department shall only release information in connection with a criminal investigation.<br>
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    I. A tax of one-half cent is levied on each bullet or round of ammunition that is sold in this state. The department of revenue shall collect the tax and deposit the tax, pursuant to sections 35-146 and 35-147, in the coded ammunition fund established by subsection J of this section.<br>
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    J. The coded ammunition fund is established consisting of monies deposited pursuant to subsection I of this section. The department shall administer the fund. Subject to legislative appropriation, monies in the fund shall be used for the purpose of establishing and maintaining the ammunition coding system database prescribed by this section.<br>
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    K. a manufacturer that fails to comply with this section is subject to a civil penalty of not more than one THOUSAND dollars for the first violation, not more than five thousand dollars for a second violation and not more than ten thousand dollars for any subsequent violation.<br>
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    L. a vendor who knowingly fails to comply with this section or who knowingly falsifies the records REQUIRED to be kept by this section is guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor.<br>
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    M. a person who knowingly destroys, obliterates or otherwise renders unreadable the coding REQUIRED by this section is guilty of a class 3 misdemeanor.<br>
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    N. for the purposes of this section, "code or coded" means a unique identifier that has been APPLIED by etching onto the base of a bullet or ammunition projectile. END_STATUTE<br>
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    Sec. 2. Requirements for enactment; two-thirds vote<br>
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    Pursuant to article IX, section 22, Constitution of Arizona, this act is effective only on the affirmative vote of at least two-thirds of the members of each house of the legislature and is effective immediately on the signature of the governor or, if the governor vetoes this act, on the subsequent affirmative vote of at least three-fourths of the members of each house of the legislature.
     
  2. code5coupe

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    It's the beginning of the end.
     
  3. Jim101

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    So has this been passed and signed by the gov yet???






    Jim
     
  4. Dave90T

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    IF I owned an ammo company, any and all sales I had to any state and local agencies in Arizona would be ceased immediately and permanently pending passage of this bill. If it passed, the only way sales would resume is if A) the act is repealed, B) the person to started this, every congressman who voted for it, and the governor himself who signed it went out on the capital steps, bent over, and kissed his own arse.

    Wake up people...your rights are being erroded and tyranny is trying to get its foot in the door.
     
  5. Brian in Oregon

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    I used to ask people where they drew the line in the sand for tyranny.<br>
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    But when gun owners keep electing anti-gun Republicans, the question becomes moot.<br>
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    Private gun ownership as we know it is going to end in many of our lifetimes.
     
  6. J.Woolsey

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    Brian, FYI all the representatives that introduced this bill are Democrats, not Republicans. J.Woolsey
     
  7. Frank C

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    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.-Thomas Jefferson

    True then, truer today
     
  8. Buster 25

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    Brian, Thanks for the Heads-up, I had no idea this was being "SLIPPED UNDER THE DOOR".
    I ask every resident in the state of Arizona to contact there House Rep. as well as the following people who are sponsers of HB2833.

    Manuel V Alverez, Dist. 25, Home:Elfreda, AZ. e-mail: malverez@azleg.gov
    phone:602-926-5895 / Fax:602-417-3025

    David Bradley, Dist. 28, Home:Tucson, AZ. e-mail: dbradley@azleg.gov
    phone:602-926-3300 / Fax:602-417-3028

    Cloves C. Campbell Jr., Dist 16, Home:phoenix, AZ. e-mail: clcampbell@azleg.gov
    phone: 602-926-3002 / Fax:602-417-3117

    Martha Garcia, Dist. 13, Home:phoenix, AZ. e-mail: mgarcia@azleg.gov
    phone: 602-926-5830 / Fax: 602-417-3113

    Linda Lopez, Dist. 29, Home:Tucson,AZ. e-mail: llopez@azleg.gov
    Phone: 602-926-4089 / Fax: 602-417-3029


    I have sent e-mail messages to the above Rep.'s voicing my opposition to HB2833
    I hope you will do the same.

    Art Nash Sr.
     
  9. W.P.T.

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    Its never going to happen until every other State in the United States pass such nonsense ... Take note of the names above : Alverez, Garcia, Lopez once they are found to be illegal they will be deported ... WPT... (YAC) ...
     
  10. dverna

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    I expect that anyone owning the means to produce their own bullets (cast or jacketed) will be breaking the law.

    Can you imagine the record keeping necessary? Even .22's will need this "safeguard".

    It is an elegant "solution". Take away the ammunition, and the "problem" goes away.
     
  11. ronbo142

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    Take away the ammo from the good guys, the bad guys will just import thier own.

    Stupid law with no way to enforce it unless the they have a huge budget set aside to higher an extra 1000 police. BTW Arizona (at least in the past) had the lowest salary for State Police in the nation. I am sure those highly paid would be just chomping at the bit to arrest those fellon ammo owners.

    Give me a break

    Ronbo
     
  12. bocephus

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    Arizona is not the only state with this legislation in the works.

    Arizona, California, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Mississippi, New York, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Washington are states where this is currently happening.

    We always hear those with their heads buried in the sand tell us "THEY'LL NEVER DO THAT"

    Some folks just don't get it, everyday they get a little closer to eliminating gun ownership, one more compromise at a time, however small but they keep getting them!

    Have a nice day :)
     
  13. W.P.T.

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    bocephus,

    I didn't say "they will never do that", if you would like to read what I said and it was "its never going to happen (meaning in Arizona) until every other State in the United States would pass such a nonsense bill" ... We have a Democrate Governor in Arizona who has better common sense that to try and mess with the States laws with regard to firearms and their owners, because we are voters also ... She (Napolitano) actually supports ones rights to own firearms which was a strong point in getting her elected, and to date has not changed her mind as far as we voters know ... No, I did not vote for her and no head in the sand here ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  14. bocephus

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    WPT, sorry I never meant it to sound like I was pointing at you! I hear it from people all over whenever things like this are mentioned in conversations, there are always those that respond "they'll never do that" as it happens before their very eyes. I am sure we all hear it.

    Some things that are happening in our government are so far fetched and rediculous that the normal reaction would be one of disbelief.

    Again WPT, I apologize, I was not singling you out, my response was not to your post.

    Have a nice day :)
     
  15. Michael Jobe

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    I wasn't aware they were trying to pass this bullcrap in PA. I've looked up the house bill # and contacted the rep who is closest to my district and a member of the House Judiciary.

    Looked up the sponsors of the Bill. Almost all are black, Philidelphia, Democrats.... who more than them least represents the population of the state of Pennsylvania?

    ~Michael
     
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    So.............If I want to kill someone, I just steal some ammo?

    NOT a problem.

    HM
     
  17. GrubbyJack

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    Never heard about it happing in TN, but went to the NRA ILR web site and....so much for me going to the Southern Zone near Nashville....they can have it with out me.....

    Tennessee: Ammo Serialization Bill Filed in House and Senate!

    Friday, February 01, 2008

    On Thursday, January 17, legislation was filed in both the Tennessee House and Senate that would requires all handgun ammunition manufactured or sold in Tennessee to be coded with a serial number, and entered into a statewide database at the time of sale. Encoded ammunition would be registered to the purchaser and would include the date of transaction, the purchaser’s name, date of birth, driver’s license number, and the serial number of the ammunition.

    SB3395, sponsored by State Senator Reginald Tate (District 33) and HB3245, sponsored by State Representative Larry Miller (District 88) pose a serious threat to our Right to Keep and Bear Arms and need to be stopped immediately.
     
  18. hoggy

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    I was going to move to AZ to retire. Now I'll have to wait and see whether this STUPID law passes.
     
  19. spitter

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    Same potential crap in IL,

    Jay
     
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    Wheres Grammy? We need input..
     
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