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Industrial class(pro's)

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by DON1911, Oct 22, 2011.

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  1. DON1911

    DON1911 Member

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    Industrial class(pro

    I had droped out of trapshooting for several years. Can someone tell me when was the last year the ATA had an "INDUSTRIAL CLASS" at the "GRAND"? Just would like to know. Thanks DON1911
     
  2. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    Must have been out for more than "several" years, Don

    I'm thinking around '94-'95
     
  3. DON1911

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    Thanks Big-M ...Yes no ATA from 1978 until 2008..just say I took a lay-off! thanks for the info. DON1911
     
  4. V10

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    The 1997 Target Year Rule Book was the last rule book to contain the Industry Personnel definition.
     
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    spitter Well-Known Member TS Supporters

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    can you post a copy of that section, please?!

    Jay
     
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    1997 ATA Rule Book, Section III, W.:

    "Any A.T.A. member who is a full time employee of any firm, company, corporation or individual engaged in the manufacture or fabrication of shotguns, ammunition, clay targets, traps, powder, primers, or other shotgun shell components, and/or is compensated by such firm, company, corporation or individual for shooting in or attending trapshooting events may be classified as an Industry Representative.

    It shall be the member's responsibility, and duty, to notify the A.T.A. in writing of the member's Industry Representative status prior to the commencement of each target year, and at the time of commencement or termination of the member's employment. Regardless of when notification is received by the A.T.A., no Industry Representative Classification shall be effective until at least the commencement of the next full target year after date notification is received, and no mid-year classification as Industry Representative will be made except in case of emergency, as provided below. The Industry Representative Classification shall remain in effect after notification by the member, regardless of change of employment or status during any target year in which the member is classified as as Industry Representative, and Amateur Classification shall not be regained until such time as the member shall so request as provided by this rule. Amateur Classification may be regained by the member after written certification by the member is received by the A.T.A. Executive Director, by certified or registered mail, and Amateur Classification, if regained, shall be effective only after the member's receipt of a new Amateur Card issued by the A.T.A., and not earlier than at commencement of the next target year after notification.

    No Industry Representative shall compete for money or trophies in A.T.A. Registered tournaments, except those events specially provided for Industry Representatives and so stated in the program. Exceptions to this rule regarding non-competition by Industry Representatives are tournaments sponsored by Indian, Fraternal, or similar organizations, registered leagues, and those events clearly designated in the tournament program as open to both Amateurs and Industry Representatives.

    The A.T.A. Executive Director shall at all times be classified as Industry Representative, but the A.T.A. Executive Director's shooting fees and expenses shall not be paid by the A.T.A. or any other persons or entity.

    All questions or disputes regarding classification as Industry Representative and Industry Representative in case of emergency shall be decided by the Executive Committee, and they may delegate this duty to the Executive Director. All decisions by the Executive Committee, or Executive Director if designated, shall be final."
     
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    spitter Well-Known Member TS Supporters

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    ...thanks V10...

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  8. V10

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    The same way any rule is created or changed.

    It has to be brought before the Board of Directors.
     
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    I'm missing something. How would this benefit anyone other than those unfairly benefiting from this rule??

    I thought that's why they got rid of it!
     
  10. smsnyder

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    I believe if pro/industry rule 1997 is re-instated it will increase money going into the purses and will also increase membership in the ATA. Purses and membership in the ATA were the largest when there was a pro/industry class.
     
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    Earl,

    In the '90's there were only about 10 Industry shooters in the ATA. The Industry Classification had absolutely no bearing on purses or membership.
     
  12. grntitan

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    Fix the economy and the rest will fix itself
     
  13. Hap MecTweaks

    Hap MecTweaks Well-Known Member

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    Before we place all the blame on just the economy, maybe we should take a gander at the numbers during the (dot com) housing boom era of the 80s?? Accordingly, our organization should have grown by leaps and bounds also? Did we?

    Hap
     
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    Earl:

    I think you have good intentions, but you have to realize it is frustrating to read the rule you posted earlier and then repeatedly read your incorrect version of what it meant, and how it will impact the current game, despite all the posts telling you what really was.

    Read the rule you posted, and tell us why those guys you are aiming at would be affected by it? Read the rule, don't just make things up based on what Earl thinks.

    As V10 stated already, the Industry class was so small it was just a cash outflow to provide trophies to the smallest category in the ATA. Leo, Kay, Ray, Phil etc. all shot ATA during this time frame, they were just as good as now, and they WERE NOT in it.

    Is Rocky Kalsow one of the names you are trying to eliminate?

    Anyone critical of the ATA for getting rid of it makes no sense, likely they just don't bother to understand what they are talking about.
     
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