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Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by trapperwads, May 9, 2013.

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  1. trapperwads

    trapperwads Well-Known Member

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    If your son or daughter was in the military or government service would you trust Barrack or Hillary to protect them and send immediate aid if they were in danger? After hearing Bengazi testimony yesterday, I sure wouldn't. Neither of these two self comes first arrogant low-lifes should be trusted with any high political office. ed nichols
     
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    I would never trust either one of them but the bad part is I bet they come out of it unscathed
     
  4. trapperwads

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    BO will go down as one of the worst presidents in memory. If hillary doesn't get the nod or win the oval office she will be scathed and suffer mentally. ed
     
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    The real issue is are they capable of defending themselves

    Beefed up security had been denied. Several times.

    It used to be the standard to have US Marines around the world at Embassies.

    Same with the military- as you downsize you threaten their ability to defend themselves

    I am not certain anyone could have reinforced the Embassy in time, once the attack occured, but it should have never been in that condition to begin with and it should have been beefed up certainly when reports were generated 2 weeks and a week before requesting more security and reporting on the threat condition.

    I have one kid in the military now and had another. The one still in has two areas his team is responible for. Afghanistan and North Korea. His deploymment schedule is whenever and if the phone rings. Obviously this is a big deal. He plans on getting out and going to work for a contractor. I am not certain that is any safer.

    Regards from Iowa

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    Burgess- having heard the testimony myself yesterday I have no clue what you are talking about

    If you are trying to defend the Administration you are on shaky grounds

    If you think you are a military expert- you are on even shakier ground.

    Try looking at a map and understanding the world.

    If you have a specific point to discuss- bring that up.

    Regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
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    LOL

    A military contractor in the theatre of operations

    Regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
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    "Same with the military- as you downsize you threaten their ability to defend themselves"

    NOPE

    "Rules of Engagement" destroys their ability to defend themselves.

    Downsizing/funding cuts, mean they have to do the same task with less, while the brass keep all their perks. Don't forget the kickbacks to the likes of Fienstien and Polise!

    As for the original question, Absolutely NOT!!

    And I heard nothing new in yesterdays hearing, I had already read about it on the world wide web!!! What IT did DO was end some of the, so called by liberals, "Conspiracy theory's"!!!

    It will be very interesting to see what LIE'S they conger up to dis-spell the TRUTH that was re-affirmed yesterday!!

    And with Hillary involved, HOW big of a paper shredder does she OWN NOW!
     
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    In the Minneapolis (Red) Star paper the info was buried on page 4 of the paper.
     
  10. g7777777

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    Timberfallen - No you have it wrong.

    Downsizing limits your resources to defend yourself. Clearly a detachment of Marines would have been superior than some host nation hourly security guards- so explain your "reasoning"?

    What about the rules of engagement at the Embassy caused this to occur?

    Regards from Iowa

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    Those operators are all attracted to the bigger bucks the contractors get and what they see as adventure at that age.

    He knows he wants out of the military, with the changes already starting but with his level of security clearance and his experience he is thinking about where can he make the most money.

    I would like him in an government Intel Job- pretty good living and more security- but we all look at things differently than our kids do.

    Guess we will just have to see.

    Regards from Iowa

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    This MIGHT help some on here, especially if your news source is any/all of the Alphabet media talk shows.

    Really Gene?

    "What about the rules of engagement at the Embassy caused this to occur?"

    The "rules" only effect uniformed service members.

    You do have a comprehension problem.

    "reasoning"?

    From all my friends who were in when slick willie downsized the military. They went into "salvage" mode, they themselves made sure the "Fighters" had what they needed. The only problem they couldn't solve was the same as Benghazi problem, "Stand down" orders!!
     
  13. g7777777

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    Ok Timberfallen- it is clear you dont understand the culture or language

    Trust me when you downsize you affect the capability of the force

    Trust me- US Marines are 100 times more effective than local rent a cops--Each Marine is worth that.

    Trust me- The limited US security elemments we had on the ground, special operators included were shooting back

    Read all the weird stuff you want, the bottom line is we didnt have the firepower on the ground to repel the attack

    Plain and simple

    Go ask your "friends" you talk to about that

    Regards from Iowa

    Gene

    PS this is what happens when you want to save money by cutting the DOD
     
  14. timberfaller

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    Did you even read the article? Gene

    "Read all the weird stuff you want"

    Obviously not!
     
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    Timberfallen- did you listen to the hearing?

    The weird stuff you are reading needs details-- those details were supplied- and you would know how foolish the contention in that article is about making a difference

    Sure special operations guys are always going to want to "go" but the 4 people we are talking about had no way of getting there and had no secure means of transport once they arrived in town- plus 4 people going blindly into a hornets nest means 4 more dead servicemembers

    This isnt like a pickup game of baseball.

    Oh btw- who was going to safeguard the embassy in Tripoli once this small group departed?

    Oh by the way- they already had a mission of securing the embassy in Tripoli- way on the other side of the country

    Try to sort the weird stuff out or ask your friends

    The bottom line is that we didnt have enough forces on the ground to repel the attack at the time. It was reasonable to have such forces with the increased threat levels and just that area of the world.

    Regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
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    You forgot the "zero" Gene.

    There was a force of 40, just 2 hours away ready to go.

    Its obvious your not reading or listening to the Whole story or picture.

    This conversation is over, have a nice day. LIV
     
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    Of course there is no way of proving this...but in my opinion George Bush (both) would have sent any and all available aid in troops and airpower in order to save our heros and exact a payment on the enemy. Even if late he would have tried to do something as most Americans would. ed nichols
     
  18. g7777777

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    Timberfallen you are barking up the wrong tree because you dont have basic understandings- you probably have rarely been outside the area you live in.

    No there wasnt a force of 40 special operations soldiers at the Embassy - There was a force of about 25 operators and some support(15) training in Southern Europe- but again the military gave their estimate- just pay attention and quit reading rags for your information

    No it isnt 2 hours - maybe if you had a bird in the Air it is 2.5 hours from Embassy to Embassy but those 4 people werent going to make any differencea nd they had a mission already---- but you have to get a bird in the air-- but the military said it would have been 12-24 or more hours to get forces to that airport-forces significant enough to control the entry zone- and then you are still only at the airport

    And those forces have to be equipped and there has to be an entry plan that has a chance of succeeding, not just losing more Americans.

    Timberfallen when you watch some adventure film or you play a video game it must just seem so simple to you. Real isnt simple

    No you dont just load up and go

    No you dont enact revenge in an urban area- by bombing it

    Bark up the right treee--that is repeated requests to beef up security were ignored and apparently the increased threat reports werent acted on

    Add to that the fact that we dont put Marines in Embassy duty around the world and you have contract a guard forces left.

    Try to get some understanding on this stuff

    As said by someone else- there really wasnt much if anything new out of that hearing and the one guy looked like your typical disgruntled employee in trouble for something else that wants to then become a whistleblower because he thinks that will save him from the stuff he didnt do himself.

    I heard that one dipstick testify that he asked the military atachee how long it would take to get from the forces in Southern Europe there- and what he probably really asked was what was the air time between. GEEEZ- and that guy didnt even do a good job at pretending to be a whistleblower.

    Regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
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    How many hours, days weeks BEFORE the attack would it have taken to get an armed drone circling high above and in missile range of the outer walls of the location our people were in? And if it were circling, how long for a couple of Hellfires to reach the ground from the drone?

    Kind of seems to me that in that area of the world you might just want to have some (unmanned) airborne support available 24/7.
     
  20. g7777777

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    What exactly would a drone have done? And they do run out of fuel

    Would it be self targeting or would you have needed a lazer designation from the ground

    Prevention of Civilian harm?

    So one shot and you are done-- then what?

    It isnt that simple

    Boots on the ground or you dont own it

    Regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
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