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Iconic rifles illegal in NYS

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  1. 635 G

    635 G Well-Known Member

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    Wow, M1 -Garand & Lee Enfields are most likely illegal in NYS--what are they going to use at military funerals. What are they going to use in parades. How do you keep 7 rds in an en block clip?

    Phil Berkowitz
     
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    Make the last one a spent round
     
  3. CalvinMD

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    NYers need to push to widen whats considered collectable historically significant relics and antiques...If challenged I bet that in NY you wont find a single crime committed with an M1
     
  4. 870

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    I don't know if they have the listing of specific rifles out yet or not. That said, the Garand is probably a problem, but I'm not sure. I guess since there is a bayonet lug, it is an "AW", assuming the clip would be considered a detachable magazine. If it isn't considered as having a detachable magazine, it isn't an AW and you just have to load 7 somehow, except at certain shoots were you could load 8.

    Even if an AW, most garands could still be registered and remain transferable to your kids or anyone else that could register it, since most are 50 years old.

    A Lee-Enfield wouldn't be affected in NY, I don't follow that statement.
     
  5. Rick Barker

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    Does NY law provide a relic or curio provision as being exempt from this law?
     
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    Lee Endfields are bolt action rifles, not concidered an AW. HMB
     
  7. 870

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    Rick,

    This new bill that was passed affects many law sections. I don't think much was done to curio or relic sections, I'd have to look those up.

    What the bill did was to flat out exempt any guns made 50 years ago or more from the definition of an AW, as long as they are registered. Contrary to what happens to AWs, these 50 year old guns (Garand) remain transferable to anyone that can register them, even in state. It doesn't call them a curio or relic, but does have a provision that considers large capacity mags made over 50 years ago curios or relics, and these must be registered but also can be transferred.
     
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    The SMLE is the world's fastest bolt gun, and holds 10 rounds. A good rifleman with a Lee can best a fair man with a self loader.

    When the Brits went to the FAL, they put two groups of shooters on the line one with the Lee, one with the FAL. The Lee shooters were only about a second behind the FAL.
     
  9. CalvinMD

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    And a SMLE will shoot with the best of them
     
  10. V10

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    The "list" had been posted, but the web page has since been taken down.

    Here's what was listed, and what the web page said:





    WEAPONS AFFECTED BY THE NEW GUN LAWS

    Realizing that the New York Safe Act may generate questions from gun owners and members of the public, a list of weapons that are classified as "assault weapons" are listed below. The new law places restrictions on the ability to purchase these weapons or to transfer them to another person. Under the new statute, those who lawfully possess these weapons prior to the enactment of this law must register them within one year of the effective date of the statute. This list is intended only as a guide and is not meant to be an exclusive, exhaustive list as there may be additional weapons that will also meet the amended definition under the new law.

    For those seeking additional details about this new law, we have included a link to the legislation. Please click here to read and download the actual bill and here to read the memorandum in support.

    Any AR-15 variant designed to fire ammunition in any caliber manufactured by the firms listed below:

    • Alexander Arms
    • AAC
    • Accurate Tool & Manufacturing
    • Adams
    • Ad-Tek
    • Addax Tactical
    • AFM
    • Adcor
    • Ameetec
    • AGP Arms
    • Ardel Engineering & Manufacturing
    • American Spirit Arms
    • ArmaLite
    • American Tactical
    • Anderson Manufacturing
    • Anvil Arms
    • Aero Precision
    • ATI
    • Arizona Armory
    • Barnes Precision Machine
    • Barrett Firearms Manufacturing
    • Bartlett Enterprises
    • Battle Born
    • BCM
    • Black Heart International (BHI)
    • Black Hole Weaponry
    • Black Rain Ordnance
    • Blackthorne
    • BOHICA
    • Bushmaster Firearms International
    • C3 Defense
    • Carolina Mountain Tactical
    • Cavalry Arms
    • CD Defense
    • Century Arms
    • Centurion Arms
    • Continental Machine & Tool (CMT)
    • Charles Daly firearms
    • Christensen Arms
    • CMMG
    • Colt's Manufacturing Company
    • Colt Canada (previously Diemaco)
    • Core 15 Rifles Systems
    • Crusader Weaponry
    • Dalphon
    • Dane Armory
    • Daniels Defense
    • Dedicated Technology
    • Del-Ton
    • Delaware Machinery
    • Denny's Guns
    • Diamondback
    • Dlask
    • Double Diamond
    • Double Star
    • Dreadnaught Industries
    • DSC/J&P Dist.
    • DPMS Panther Arms
    • DS Arms
    • DSG Arms
    • Eagle Arms
    • Essential Arms
    • Ferfrans
    • FN
    • Frankford Arsenal
    • Floro International Corporation
    • Firebird Precision
    • Fulton Armory
    • GATITO Arms
    • Good Times Outdoors
    • Gunsmoke
    • Head Down Products
    • Heckler and Koch
    • Hesse Arms
    • Hero-Guns
    • High Standard Manufacturing Company
    • Hogan
    • Hughes Precison Products
    • Huldra
    • Iron Ridge Arms
    • JD Machine Tech
    • JP Rifles, Inc.
    • Kaiser
    • Kies
    • Knight's Armament Company
    • LAR
    • LaRue
    • Lauer Custom Weaponry
    • Legion Firearms
    • Les Baer
    • Lewis Machine and Tool Company
    • Land Warfare Resources Corporation International (LWRCI)
    • Lone Wolf
    • Loki Weapons Systems
    • LMT
    • LRB Arms
    • M2 Corporation
    • Magpul Industries
    • McKay Enterprises, LLC.
    • MGI
    • Mega Machine
    • Mohawk Armory
    • Mossberg
    • New Frontier Arms
    • Next Generation
    • Nodak Spud
    • Norinco
    • Noveske
    • Olympic Arms
    • Ordnance, Inc
    • Palmetto
    • Patriot
    • Para-Ordnance (Para-USA)
    • PAW Arms
    • Plum Crazy
    • POF
    • Predator Custom Shop
    • Professional Ordnance, Inc.
    • PWA
    • PWS
    • Quality Arms
    • Quentin Defense
    • R-Guns
    • Red Jacket LLC.
    • Red River Tactical
    • Remington Arms
    • RGM
    • Rip Tactical
    • RND Machining
    • Rock River Arms
    • Rocky Mountain Arms
    • Roggio Arsenal
    • Sabre Defence/Manroy USA
    • Schmeisser
    • Seekins
    • Sendra
    • Sharps
    • Sig Sauer
    • Sionics
    • SI Defense
    • SLR-15
    • Smith & Wesson
    • Spikes Tactical
    • SOG Armory
    • SMOS
    • Stag Arms
    • Sturm, Ruger
    • Surplus Ammo& Arms
    • STI
    • Stinger Arms
    • Superior Arms
    • Sun Devil
    • Tactical Innovations
    • Tactical Machining
    • TNW
    • United Defense Manufacturing Corporation
    • USA Tactical Firearms
    • Vltor
    • Vulcan
    • Wilson Combat
    • Windham
    • YHM Corp
    • Z-M Weapons
    • Zombie Defense

    AK-47

    Any AK- 47 variant designed to fire ammunition in any caliber manufactured by the firms listed below:

    • Hesse
    • Norinco
    • AK Concepts
    • Hungarian Arsenal Inc
    • Styer
    • Piece of History Firearms LLC
    • PolyTech
    • Dragunov Sniper Rifles
    • Poly Technologies
    • B-West
    • Cugir Arsenal
    • Sadu Arsenal
    • Bulgarian Arsenal
    • Global Trades
    • Armory USA
    • Horn Custom rifle
    • Izhevsk Factory - Russia
    • MLS99
    • Ohio Ordnance Works
    • Ohio Rapid Fire
    • Polyany Arsenal - Russia
    • Century Arms
    • Ewbank Manufactureing
    • Krebs Custom Inc.
    • AK USA Manufacturing
    • Marshall Arms
    • Vector Arms
    • Red Jacket Firearms
    • Romarms
    • State Armory in Radom – Poland
    • Lucznik in Radom – Poland
    • Suhl Factory – East Germany
    • Ernst Thaelmann VEB – East Germany
    • Firing Line
    • Robinson Armament Co.
    • Vulcan Arms
    • Krinks
    • Tapco
    • Tula Arsenal - Russia
    • Precision Metal Works
    • American Arms
    • Arsenal
    • B-West
    • Hesse Arms
    • Russian American Arms
    • Firing line
    • Global Trades/Armory USA
    • Inter Ordnance
    • Kalashnikov USA
    • MAADI CO
    • MARS
    • Mitchell Arms, Inc
    • Valmet
    • WUM

    The following rifles, pistols and shotguns are classified as assault weapons:


    SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLES:
    •Norinco 84S, and 86S
    •Poly Technologies AKS and AK47
    •UZI and Galil
    •Beretta AR-70
    •CETME Sporter
    •Daewoo ?K-1
    ?K-2
    ?Max 1
    ?Max 2,
    ?AR 100
    ?AR 110C

    •Fabrique Nationale ?CAL
    ?F2000
    ?SCAR
    ?PS90
    ?FAL
    ?LAR
    ?FNC
    ?308 Match

    •Century Arms MAS 223
    •HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1
    •RPB Industries Inc. sM10 and sM11
    •SWD Incorporated M11
    •SIG AMT ?PE-57
    ?SG 550
    ?SG 551

    •Sterling MK-6
    •Steyer AUG
    •Valmet ?M62S
    ?M71S
    ?M78S

    •Armalite AR-180
    •Calico M-900
    •J&R ENG M-68
    •Weaver Arms Nighthawk


    PISTOLS:
    •UZI
    •Encom MP-9 and MP-45
    •RPB Industries Inc. ?sM10
    ?sM11

    •SWD Incorporated M11
    •Advance Armament Inc. M-11
    •Military Armament Corp. Ingram M-11
    •Intratec TEC-9
    •Sites Spectre
    •Sterling MK-7
    •Calico M-950
    •Bushmaster Pistol


    SHOTGUNS:
    •Franchi SPAS 12 and LAW 12
    •Striker 12
    •The Streetsweeper type S/S Inc. SS/12
    •Saiga semi-automatic shotgun
    •HIGH STANDARD MODEL 10 SERIES B POLICE SHOTGUN 12GA
    •FN Herstal SLP MK1 TACT
    •Benelli M-2 Tactical
    •CHARLES DALY Tactical
    •Remington 81059 Versa Max Tactical
    •Remington Model 81404 Tactical
    •SRM Tactical Semi-Auto Shotgun
    •RAAC MKA1919 SEMI AUTO
    •Remington Model 1100 TACTICAL



    Information on the NYSP website is presented as a community service. Reproductions of information or images taken from the NYSP website must be used for the sole purpose of supplying information as a non-reimbursable, community service.
     
  11. 870

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    The list will be a lot longer than that.
     
  12. V10

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    There really isn't a need for a list.

    I think they were doing it as a "public service" so that when people called and said, "Hey, I've got a Handy Shoot 555. Is it legal?" they could just refer them to the list.

    But then they probably realized that they couldn't possibly list every firearm made, and not being on the list could be construed by some as evidence that a certain firearm is legal, so they took the list down.

    But that's just my guess.
     
  13. 870

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    You may be right V10, I'm sure it will be back up, but they are finding there is more to this. Wait until the ammo checks start. I can't see how that is going to work. The sheer volume will be many times that of the NICS, and they will be amazed how many "terrorists" there are buying hundreds of rounds at a time, a couple times a week.
     
  14. Rick Barker

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    Better just register your semi auto's to CYA.

    The Thompson semi auto was not on there, including the copies of by other makers.

    The M1 carbine was missing, as well as the "Enforcer" a pistol made on the M1 reciever.


    Any pistol made using the AR lower and I would think the M14 as well should be there as well.


    If a particular gun is not on the list, I am sure if yours was looked at by the police, it would be added later. What if someone fails to register their gun because it did not appear on the list, the year grace period expires, then your gun turns up on the list. Would think it too late then.

    You could just send them all to me and rid yourself of the worry.
     
  15. V10

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    Yeah, in the recent "panic buying" some NICS calls were held up for more than an hour waiting to get through. I don't think people are going to want to do that for some ammunition.

    There will be a lot of buying in neighboring states.

    Until they set up road blocks.

    The link above is to the Facebook page of one of the pro-2A New York Assemblymen who came into possession of the NYSA anti-2A's "agenda."

    Here's a youtube vid of the exchange on the floor of the New York State Assembly prior to the vote on the bill:

    <iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/ryUbJfg4tAo?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
     
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    The link above will take you to the actual youtube page for those who do not have Facebook.

    The list of "agenda" items is shown in the "Show more" area right below the video.
     
  17. Bob Griffith

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    Hey V10, where did you get this list? I tried logging on to the NYS Police website address as told in our local paper this morning & all i get is
    "The page you have requested could not be found.
    Please visit our homepage, sitemap, or perform a search above to find what you are looking for."

    This is what I got when I tried the link from your post. Help!
     
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    Hey V10, where did you find this list? I tried the link you have and it is the same as the 1 listed in local paper today and all i get is: "The page you have requested could not be found.
    Please visit our homepage, sitemap, or perform a search above to find what you are looking for." Help!
     
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    Bob,

    I originally got to the NYSP web site from ar15.com.

    I saw the NYSP web page before it was taken down.

    When I saw the question above about the list I went to Google and tried to find it again.

    Here's the Google cache page for the ar15.com post.

    https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:_M53iU-pnZEJ:http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1424398_NYSP_List_of_Weapons_affected_by_the_new_gun_laws___presented_as_a_public_service.html%2Bnysp+gun+list&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&client=firefox-a&gbv=1&sei=M_T5ULajIcTB2wW-xYHIBQ&hl=en&ct=clnk



    The OP had copied the contents of the NYSP page and posted it on ar15.com. That's what I copied and posted here.
     
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    http://www.governor.ny.gov/2013/gun-reforms-faq
     
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