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I just recieved this letter from the SCTP

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  1. roger8918

    roger8918 Member

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    I know that there are a bunch of you on TS.com that could care less about the SCTP and the youth who are participating in our sport. To you I say, move on this thread it not for you, but if you are one of the ones who are going to be effected buy the changes taking place within the SCTP, I would suggest you examine this letter carefully and try to understand what this will mean to the volunteers of this great program.

    This is what I received from the "NEW" SCTP today...


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    To: Our Dedicated SCTP Coaches and State Directors – An Open Letter


    Good Morning!



    Thank You!

    I would like to take this opportunity to thank each of you for the superlative effort you have provided to the Scholastic Clay Target Program. The success of the program is a testament to your passion and dedication. The SCTP has been so fortunate to have a volunteer cadre of committed individuals who have spent countless thousands of hours and large sums of their own money to introduce young people to the clay target sports. I salute you.



    As most of you know by now, the Scholastic Clay Target Program has been transferred from the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) to the newly formed Scholastic Shooting Sports Foundation (S3F). The official date in the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) for transferring the SCTP to the S3F is January 01, 2009; however, due to the the NSSF’s removal of the registration and interactive elements from the Web SCTP site in late August, the fact is the transfer has already occurred.



    Historical Perspective

    I know you have been wondering why the SCTP was transferred to the S3Fand what is taking place now to move the changeover forward. I think it worthwhile to give you some background information on why and how the Scholastic Shooting Sports Foundation came to be, and more importantly, what the future holds in store for the SCTP. In order to do that, we have to go back to the genesis of the Scholastic Trapshooting Program to understand the subsequent developments.



    Back in the year 2000, I was retained as a consultant by the NSSF to develop a clay target program for youth. The National Shooting Sports Foundation is the trade association for the shooting, hunting and firearms industry with a membership of more than 4,000 manufacturers, distributors, retailers, individual members, sportsmen's organizations and publishers.

    The whole first year was spent on the road talking to groups, organizations, and individuals selling the concept of a team-based clay target program. In 2001, the Scholastic Trapshooting Program was debuted to a very positive reception. The Skeet and Sporting Clays organizations saw the potential growth for their organizations and asked the NSSF Board of Directors to add skeet and sporting clays to the program in 2002, which they did.



    The program really got its legs after the third year and never looked back. After the tremendous growth spurt in that third year, senior staff members at NSSF clearly saw that managing such a large program on a day-to-day basis was outside the parameters of the organization’s mission. It was deemed time to pass the program to an organization whose mission included organizing and conducting shooting sports programs.



    The NSSF approached the Amateur Trapshooting Association (ATA) with an offer to take over the SCTP, but the offer was refused. Similarly, the National Skeet Shooting Association (NSSA)/National Sporting Clays Association (NSCA) passed on the offer. The NSSF kept the offer on the table for the next couple of years, but both organizations steered clear.



    In January of 2006, I was asked by NSSF senior staff to develop a strategic plan for an organization with a singular focus, operating a youth team-based clay target program. A strategic planning conference was held in Phoenix with 18 volunteers traveling on their own dime from all parts of the country. Out of that meeting emerged the strategic plan for the Scholastic Shooting Sports Foundation.



    The plan was approved and adopted by the NSSF in July 2006 and I was told to begin making preparations for the transfer of the SCTP to the S3F for the 2008 season. An announcement of the transfer and a press conference was scheduled for the 2007 S.H.O.T. Show. Something or someone caused the NSSF to change its mind, resulting in the project being shelved and not taken back off the shelf until December of 2007 when the MOU between the S3F and the NSSF was officially executed.



    Where We Stand

    S3F Status. The Scholastic Shooting Sports Foundation, Inc. is incorporated in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and has been denominated by the U.S. Internal Revenue Service as a 501(c)(3) charitable non-profit foundation.



    Budget. The SCTP budget for the 2008 season was $380,000.00, which did not include any personnel costs. Adding in personnel costs, the total 2008 budget figure given to us by a NSSF senior staff member was $650,000.00. During the talks in 2006, the NSSF indicated it would continue to fund the SCTP through the S3F at approximately the $400,000.00 level for two to three years and gradually taper off to a continuous funding level of $200,000.00 per year. At the execution of the transfer, the S3F received from NSSF a one-time grant of $100,000.00 with no promise for any future funding. That amounts to a budget cut of 85%.



    Registration. Due to the transfer of the SCTP to the S3F prior to January 01, 2009, the www.nssf.org/sctp Web site is no longer configured for coaches to register their teams. The S3F has engaged a top-notch Web development and software programming company to design a state-of-the-art Web site and database.



    Their specialists are developing a database that includes a team registration program, blogs, a forum, training tips and techniques, and much more. It will allow the team rosters as well as scores from shoots to interface with the NGB databases. As soon as the database program is beta tested, we will put up a face page on our Web site for coaches and state directors to use for registration and validation purposes. The NSSF has agreed to post a link to our site on its Web page.



    Volunteer Training and Protection. Volunteers are the lifeblood of the SCTP. The S3F has a duty to provide both the athletes and the volunteers with a secure and supportive program environment. Volunteers deserve to have the proper training, direction, and indemnification provided to them by the organization they serve.



    Parents have the right to expect that the volunteers working with their children will meet the high standards of ethics, morality, and leadership set forth by the S3F. A criminal background check for all adults working with youth is not just a nice thing to do; it is the right thing to do. Other organizations having adults working with youths do this and the S3F is going to do it.



    We are currently in the process of securing the necessary liability coverage for volunteers. Jeff Yue, attorney for the NSSF, has assured me that the NSSF’s insurance coverage for volunteers will be continued through the end of 2008 as per the MOU. You are covered.



    Thus, the S3F will provide all volunteers with training, a blanket policy providing liability insurance coverage, and a background check. Performing this “due diligence” is a duty and a responsibility, one that the S3F does not take lightly. We owe it to our volunteers and to our athletes to do everything within our power to provide them with the tools necessary to keep them safe and help them to be successful.



    State Infrastructure for Managing the SCTP. The SCTP has grown so large in some states that it has eclipsed the ability of one person to manage it. The same is about to happen in several other states. In order to reduce the workload on one or two individuals in a state the S3F will introduce a management plan based on a model adapted from two states currently employing committees to operate the program statewide.



    Coach Training. Coaches have identified the need for a standardized training curriculum as the most pressing issue facing the program. The S3F is currently developing a three-tiered coach training model. As soon as a coach registers his/her roster on the Web site, he/she will receive a password to enter a coach course online. Subsequent hands-on training will focus on how to COACH young shooters. There is a vast difference between an instructor and a coach. The coach is truly the linchpin of the program. The S3F is committed to doing everything possible to give our coaches the requisite training they need to ensure they can provide a quality program for their athletes.



    Parent Training. Parental support is absolutely critical for young athletes to be successful in the clay target sports. The S3F will offer a course for parents focused on positive ways they can become actively involved in the program.



    Program Fees. As was previously stated, the S3F sees as its duty to provide training, liability coverage, and personal protection for its participants, volunteers and athletes. This adds additional elements to the program that have not previously been provided.



    In order to do this, and with the budget situation being what it is, we have no choice but to institute a registration fee for coaches and athletes. This is no different from that of other youth organizations. Registration fees for both adult and youth participants in organized youth sports programs are universal. Little League, A.Y.S.O., et al. require registration fees for adult leaders as well as athletes.



    Program Philosophy. The S3F is committed to growing the SCTP by turning the way things have been done upside down. The best way to describe what I mean is by way of an analogy.



    The XYZ Company decides to make what it considers the perfect widget, one that everyone will want. They spend countless hours designing the perfect widget, manufacturing it, and offering it to their distributors. Distributors buy in to the manufacturers hype and purchase a year’s supply. Downstream the wholesalers and retailers do the same. Retailers have a large standalone display of the widgets, but when customers come into the store, they stare at the widget and ask, “Why would anyone want to buy that useless thing?”



    Some sports organizations have used this same approach to attract customers; designing and advertising what they considered to be a whiz-bang program without consulting the very customers the program was designed to serve. Needless to say, the results fell far short of expectations.



    These two scenarios are examples of the “production or manufacturing model,” often referred to as the “build it and they will come” philosophy. This type of approach may work in literature and the movies, but we believe there is a better way to build and sustain a youth sports program.



    Our model, the one S3F will employ, is the “marketing model” approach. The focus is on the wants and needs of our customers – coaches, parents, and athletes. Very simply put, it involves us going to our customers and asking them, “What do you want or need to make your job and/or the program better?”



    The S3F was given the results from the survey the NSSF sent out recently. We will use that information along with other information we gather to engage coaches and state directors in meaningful dialogue, dialogue that will be very helpful in making decisions that are in the best interest of the program. It is important that we have YOUR input. We want and need to hear from you.



    Ms. Karen Peterson, Director of Administrative Services, has set up an e-mail address for you to use for providing us with your suggestions and concerns. The address is S3F@comcast.net. We look forward to hearing from you.



    In Conclusion

    Please be assured that the SCTP will be operational for the 2009 season. The registration database is our top priority and it will be up on our new Web site ASAP.



    We want and need your input and support. Working together, we can grow the SCTP to 20,000 by the end of 2010. There are some obstacles to overcome, but there are also opportunities available to surmount those obstacles by working as a team to seize those opportunities. I am asking for your understanding and indulgence as we work through this situation.



    We must always keep uppermost in our minds the reason we are involved in the SCTP – to help our young athletes to grow and develop into productive, contributing members of society. Fortunately, we have the means to accomplish that goal, the team-based clay target sports. I am asking you for your help and support as we move the SCTP forward in 2009. I look forward to working with you.



    Sincerely yours,










    William R. Christy, Ed.D.

    President and CEO

    Scholastic Shooting Sports Foundation

    S3F4Youth@gmail.com
     
  2. roger8918

    roger8918 Member

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    This was my response to the "NEW" SCTP...



    I’m sorry and I know that you asked for our indulgence and I’m probably going to take some heat for this but you need to hear this loud and clear. Have you people lost your minds.... Do you even know what its like to run a team? Do you have any idea how hard it is to find coaches who are willing to help? Now you what to charge them, put them through background checks and force them to go to training? Do you realize what you are doing is forcing us out of the SCTP?

    These coaches are not your average Little League or soccer Dads who will sign anything just so they can be a part of their kids program. You need to think about the people who made the SCTP work. Who is going to be coaching the 20,000 kids you have in 2010? If this goes down as you describe, I’m going to lose coaches and if I lose coaches I will need to cut the number of kids I have on my team.

    Hearing you say “The S3F is committed to growing the SCTP by turning the way things have been done upside down” sounds absolutely insane to me. The SCTP was a great program, it was working and flourishing, don’t destroy it by turning it upside down. Fix the little things and keep it going. Now is not the time for wholesale changes, now is a time for stability and unwavering transition.

    For a program that sounds to be hurting financially, you sure seem to be biting off a huge chunk of ambition.


    Sincerely,
    Roger Beardsley
    Mason-Dixon Clay Busters
     
  3. Joe Potosky

    Joe Potosky Well-Known Member

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    RE: put them through background checks

    Why would you be against requiring background checks for those who are working with school age children?

    I'll never forget a well known shooter in this region who was denied entry into Canada after they ran his name through the computer at the border. It turns out he had a conviction for being a drug dealer.

    The shooting community had no idea...
     
  4. BIGDON

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    You really don't know if it will hurt or not. What is your alternative?? Money has to come from somewhere. Do what Little League, Pony League and other kids leagues do, look for sponsors. Your gloom and doom surprises me. At least try before you throw your hat in.

    i.e.: Do you currently check driving records before allowing kids to ride with coaches or whoever that is driving them around?? If not hold onto your butt because you might lose it in the advent of an accident.

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  5. Stuart

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    Roger, As a coach of 5 years I welcome the changes outlined in Bill Christy's letter. All the coachs I know have already invested many dollars and hours into this program. If in the event someone doesn't want to submit there name for a background check, I don't want them on my Team. If they want to help coach but don't want to spend the time or what money it takes to do the job right, I don't want them on my Team. I don't want to see this program compermised by some pervert accused of molesting any of our kids. That would be the second worst thing to happen to this program. The worst would be a shooting accident becaused some one was not trained correctly or at all. This is not baseball it's Shooting, We play with guns. We make one mistake and this whole program suffers.
    Stuart
     
  6. roger8918

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    Joe, are you a head coach? If you are then you must know how hard it is to get find coaches. Unfortunately, during the same time the kids need to practice, most of the good shooters are getting ready for competitions themselves. It’s like asking a Major League ball player to coach Little League during the season. If the SCTP does anything to make it more difficult to recruit coaches, at least in my case, the program will fold. I’m all for protecting the kids but we have a very delicate system here and right now we don’t need drastic changes, we need stability.

    Don, I’m not all doom and gloom but someone needs to let the powers to be at the SCTP know where the little guys stands. And no, coaches do not transport anyone for the team
     
  7. roger8918

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    Stuart, I'm not against the background check myself, in my mind its the perception that all of these changes are going to cost big bucks at a time when the organization just lost 85% of its funding.

    With that, I am glad to hear that you have such a vast pool of coaches that you can pick and choose whoever you like. I on the other hand am not so lucky. Good Luck with your team.
     
  8. perga1

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    Why not get a list of the businesses and manufacturers that sponsored the program under the NSSF? Contact them and see if they would be willing to separate the dollars they donated to the NSSF for the youth program and donate those dollars directly to the S3F program? JRM
     
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    As one who works with young athletes extensively, I can see some of the good and the bad in Bill's "New Deal" for SCTP.

    As far as background checks, many Coaches have Handgun Carry Permits, Guard licenses, or are Law Enforcement. These permits, licenses, and commissions require periodic Federal background checks. I have eight Federal background checks every five years, due to my different State Certified Training licenses, permits, and other creds. Since the State collects a fee for this, I have to pay for them and cannot use one background check for different agencies.

    As far as training, there are numerous bona fide National Coach Development Staff members who will train Coaches at a very reasonable fee, if not for free.

    There are also a few persons of questionable abilities around who were signed off on by a retiring head of the coaching staff at NRA. One of them trains young trap shooters and Coaches in the South although he has never been an ATA member and does not shoot trap.??? We are working hard to make sure he is kept out of our area.

    Asking a Coach to pay to volunteer sounds short sighted by the new organization. Many SCTP Coaches have fund raisers, and spend a lot of time and resources for the kids. They pay enough.

    As was mentioned, the ATA had a chance at this, but blew it off. Now, Tn, among other states, no longer requires monthly SCTP shoots to be registered with the ATA. This will cost them and State Associations dearly in fees.
     
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    EE, why did you delete your post? Oh well, here is my responce....


    EE, Are you a coach? If so I'm sure your club thought it so important that everyone ponyed up all the money for the background check before anyone even asked.

    At this point, I'm not thanking anyone. I still think whoever is behind all of these changes at this critical time has lost their mind! KISS Keep it simple. The program needs a bandaid not brain surgery.
     
  12. laura!

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    For those of you who don't know, Roger's SCTP is a fledgling team that's only been around for a couple of years. His team has grown in numbers since it started and he has worked very hard at coaching, trying to get volunteers and fundraising. He's got a great team, but as you all know, sometimes its just one or two people that work their asses off to make things work and they need all the help they can get. Considering what a great job he has done with his team and how hard he has worked, I would hope people would take his concerns a little more seriously.
     
  13. turmite

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    I am not affilated with SCTP, but I am a new coach for ASSYP

    http://www.agfc.com/education-class/programs/ayssp.aspx

    I have no idea how the rest of the shooting world works, but here in Arkansas, the Game and Fish have hit a home run. This will be the 3rd year, and they are expecting 4000 shooters this year! Do the numbers. There is no membership fees for the shooters or coaches but the coaches are subject to a background check at no cost to themselves. All this is funded by the Arkansas Game and Fish Com. to the tune of nearly 1/2 million. The directors of the AGFC are in love with this program. AGFC only provides birds and ammo for six practices, all birds and ammo for the regionals and state matches. Insurance is provide from the time the youth leaves home till they return only on scheduled practices and matches. All other pracitices are funded by parents, sponsors, fundraisers etc.

    The competition is based on Trap only and not the other competitions.

    Several thousands of $$ each year are given in scholarship funds.

    Maybe the SCTP should look to replicate something like the AYSSP.

    Mike
     
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    Why would you have a "President & CEO" and simply just a chairman of a non-profit group?

    A CEO means he owns the company, and if this is the case, then he case do as he wishes with the funding.

    I'd think twice about this one.

    Whiz
     
  15. roger8918

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    laura!, thank for the kind words. I didn’t think I would find much support on this forum, but I know that decision makers within the ATA and the SCTP monitor this site and they need to hear whats going on.

    EE, as I said in my earlier post, I am not opposed to a background check.

    I do know that if the coaches are forced to foot the bill for these initiatives, i.e. "charged to volunteer" it will change my clubs association with the SCTP. I have three kids in the program myself. I can’t afford to pay much more myself. There is a definite need for this kind of program. Heck, I just had NINE (9) new shooters come to our practice on Sunday and rest assured, the SCTP had nothing to do with them being there.

    We will still teach young people how to shoot trap and provide them with place to learn the game, it’s just whether we do it with the SCTP or without them.
     
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    Once you have someone with the title, "Ed.D" in charge of the program, things are going to change.
     
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    WOW Mike, That program makes me want to move to Arkansas. Outstanding!

    buzz-gun, I couldn't agree more.
     
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    I have to agree with Roger on this. As a coach for the past three years in the SCTP the idea that I would have to pay to volenteer leaves a little bit to be desired. Also the idea of having to pay for a class to be a certified coach (which I did) to once again volenteer is also a reach. If they continue to make many more demands on the volenteer coaches and people who help I fear that they are going to lose a lot of support for their program.

    I have been in contact with my ATA delagate and he has informed me that even though an offical decision has not been made by the SCTP (SSSF) that it was inferred by them that the NEW SCTP program would not be registering birds with the ATA and would not be holding the Championships at Sparta. This is what the new ATA program "AIM" may be about. It should be interesting to see what the format of the new program is and I would hope that the ATA gets the info out quickly so teams can make a decission on which program they are going to want to go with.

    John Harden
    Roachdale SCTP

    John Harden
     
  19. phirel

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    My opinion, based on knowing Bill Cristy well before he became involved with youth shooting and coaching, is that the current SCTP program will shift from trap shooting toward involvement with many other forms of shotgun sports on a somewhat informal (practice) basis.

    Pat Ireland
     
  20. roger8918

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    Pat, I don't understand your point. The SCTP already includes Skeet and Sporting Clays and everything about Mr. Christy Ed.D. the "CEO" seems to be very "formal"
     
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