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hussein's next takeover!!!!

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by bigdogtx, Jun 6, 2009.

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  1. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    hussein

    By Dick Morris and Eileen McGann

    6/6/2009

    The photo op was too good to be true. Health care providers trooped out of the White House and trumpeted their goal of saving $1.7 trillion of costs over the next decade in health spending. Now these drug companies, hospitals, insurance companies, medical device manufacturers, labor unions and doctors have laid out their plans in more detail.

    And right there, in plain print, is the beginning of medical care rationing. Now that the cameras have been put away and the media is no longer watching, their secret emerges: They are going to cut medical costs by cutting medical care. Right now, they cite four targets. They plan to:


    1. Cut diagnostic imaging tests like MRIs and CAT scans.

    2. Reduce the use of antibiotics.

    3. Perform fewer Caesarean sections.

    4. Cut care for management of chronic back pain

    These decisions will not be medical but financial. They will not be based on a doctor’s opinion of what his or her patient needs, but a bureaucrat’s and an accountant s opinion of what the new health care system can afford.

    And you will not be able to bypass their rulings and pay for this care yourself. The rules laid down must be followed and private payments will not be permitted to override them. What we now call a private fee for service will metastasize into a bribe.

    But this is just the very beginning of rationing. The total of health care spending now runs about $2.3 trillion a year in the United States. Over ten years, that’s likely to reach $30 trillion. So a cut of $1.7 trillion is a mere drop in the bucket.

    More rationing is coming, and coming soon.

    In our new book (coming out on June 23rd) Catastrophe, we explain exactly what rationing will mean and what it has done to patient care in Canada.

    It’s not a pretty picture and Obama will bring it here soon unless we stop him. Forewarned is forearmed!
     
  2. crusha

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    Rationing is one of the two ways they will pull the rabbit out of the hat.


    The other is running a deficit. Medicare currently has an unfunded liability of 89 Trillion dollars. That's ONE HUNDRED TIMES THE COST OF THE IRAQ WAR! And that's only for people over 65.


    Any system can be claimed to "cover everyone while still controlling costs," as long as it's allowed to run a deficit.



    I say, if you want to change the healthcare system, fine...there is plenty of room for improvement. Take whatever plan you propose, and apply it to Medicare and show that it works first...and by "works," I mean it balances its books at the end of the year, and doesn't just run a perpetual deficit and mortgage our future even more.


    If you can't show that your "reform" will work on something the size of Medicare, why should we just extend a failed model to the entire economy?
     
  3. bocephus

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    keep it up likes to shootselfinfoot, you show your total ingnorance almost as well as lil trappy! Typical liberal with their head buried in the sand LOL
    ya ya we know its all bushs fault.....too bad an ignorant old fool like you will be among the first to see how the new socialized rationed health care works out....
     
  4. drh08

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    There are some simple truths about universal health care.

    1. We will save money, not possible no matter what they say. More people seeking medical attention can in no way become cheaper. Understand someone is going to pay if we go universal. If you have employer provided now, you are going to probably be the one paying.

    2. As a country we need to make a decision as to if health care is a personal right. If it is, then the government should take it all over and be done with it.

    If it's not quit blowing smoke up everyone.

    Politics should grow a set and state what they believe and act one way or the other.
     
  5. bigdogtx

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    shoot,,,,yep you can say anything on a blog,,,,just like you can say anything on a bulletin board,,,,if you think hussein is going to provide a better healthcare plan, you have got to be delusional,,,,do you think he DOESN'T want to take over the healthcare system in this country????
     
  6. Fast Oil

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    And there folks is the illusion, we all think that it's our employer / union/ government that supplies our health care. We have relagated the provider (doctors)to the backgound. We want to pay a fee and get any and all service that is needed and required. As more people are forced into the system with more demand on service, the way we are use to getting health care will and must change.

    Do you think that with government intervention into health care that this change will be good?

    I don't
     
  7. sptnclays

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    Socialized health care in some form is comming whether we like it or not. It has been considered a right for years.
    One doc was sued because he wouldn't provide a labor epidural for free because a women couldn't pay for it and didn't have insurance.
    Lawyers are a big problem that is rarely mentioned.
    Every health care provider practices defensive medicine. Heaven forbid if you don't order every test available and there is a bad outcome.
    There have been several studies that show you use about 90% of your health care dollars in the last year of "life".
    This is the fault of doc's that get paid for operating to the hospital that can bill and the family that say's do everything you can to keep granny alive.
    I have been a advocate of higher co-pays that puts bigger resposibility on the consumer.
     
  8. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    Oh,,,,and does the wonderful union also provide your wages????
     
  9. drh08

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    spntclays: Ouch!. I can respect your position and say ouch because it's honest. I have held 2 parents hands in the last year going through treatments and we lost both of them. Money was never considered in the decision of treatments that we did. Quality of life was put first in all our decisions. Yes we passed on some probably very expensive treatments because they wouldn't have helped and would have made them miserable to go through.
    The problem you mention is at what cost is an attempt to fix someone or lengthen their lives worth the money and treatment it would take. At what dollar value do we just let them go.
    Our current system works well for those that can afford it, and not so well for those that can't.

    If we go universal, that doesn't automatically mean our health care will suffer. Pretty much means it's going to get way more expensive but not necessarly worse.
     
  10. Brian in Oregon

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    Buzzgun is right on - test the new plan on Midicare first and see if it works. If it doesn't, get a better plan.
     
  11. bigdogtx

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    Nope,,,,did you???? Just love you libs,,,,try to change the subject when asked a question that you don't want to answer....
     
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    Haven't heard anyone on the News discuss trial attorneys and the high cost of lawsuits & malpractice insurance. That's part of the picture but it's often ignored. In order to have an intelligent discussion, all the areas that directly or indirectly effects health care costs needs to be discussed. I personally believe the Medicare seniors will get screwed (where or where is the AARP?) when the reform issues arises. Rationing is part of the discussion and most of all, who will pay for it? I know the middle class will always have to pay the bill. Obama has no answers but just another power grab that will leave you paying the bill, or your children will be paying for it. Komrad BT-100dc
     
  13. bigdogtx

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    Tort reform doesn't get brought up at all anymore,,,,a lot of the tests and procedures are due to the HIGH costs of the insurance as people don't understand where the money comes from,,,,some are starting to see it, yet not enough yet.

    Want to wait months to get a test or procedure done with "free" healthcare, move to Canada or Europe,,,,just hope you live long enough for the wait!!!!There AIN'T no FREE LUNCH,,,,somebody pays, and in most cases it will be the ill who will pay the ultimate price!!!!
     
  14. drh08

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    So if the government owns the health care, isn't there some law that says you can't civil law suits against the government????
     
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    What I want to know is if socialized medicine is so desirable, why have the Canadians come to our country for years to get first class medical care? I've seen it happen in the Pacific Northwest. Better medical care than they get for free, and they're willing to pay extra for it. Once the government is in control of the health care business you can bet the farm that rationed health care will be on the way. Just like England and Canada, if you smoke, you don't qualify for certain surgeries. If you're overweight you don't qualify. If you're beyond a certain age you don't qualify. This does indeed happen in those two fine examples of government run health care. Remember, a government big enough to give you everything is also big enough to take it all away. ---Jim
     
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    Here's a guy who loses a million jobs then brags about creating 100,000 jobs like he spends a trillion then brags about cutting a million in waste. He must think the American public is stupid. Rephrase that, he knows Americans are stupid because they elected him president.
     
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    i see nothing wrong with reducing the candy precriptions of antibiotics, way to many people run to the hospital with a cold or the flu and doctors prescrible antibiotics which have no effect on a virus, the better bet would be prescrible you a sugar pill and tell you its an antibiotic. i also love the lard asses who run to a doctor for the magic pill to help them lose 100 pounds from eating big macs and mcdonalds $ menu, how about hard ass work and sweat instead?? maybe if you lose a few hundred pounds you wont have back pain. we have a lard ass at our club who stated doctor said he has hip problems as he reaches for the 3ed piece of cake lolololololololololololol. go into a doctors office for around 2 hours and watch how many drug reps walk into and out of the office in a 2 hour time period, pay attention and watch........
    and if you think canada has "free" health care you really need to talk with a resident of canada

    bill
     
  18. highflyer

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    If only all these socialist programs were voluntary. Let individuals decide to opt in or out. If they don't want to participate then the government can't steal their money to pay for the programs. If the liberals want the programs, then they can pay for them without forcing others in and stealing their money to pay for them.
     
  19. halfmile

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    I don't think AARP wants any of this. They were started, and remain as a shill for insurance sales. Nationalized health care will put them out of business, and all they will have left is auto insurance, which they also hawk.

    I really have no use for them, since finding an agent you trust that will actually do his job is a much better alternative.

    HM
     
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