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hussein heckled in healthcare speech-truth hurts??

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by bigdogtx, Sep 9, 2009.

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  1. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    Sept. 9, 2009 -- It's hard to hear at first, but yes, at 1:31 into this clip, the President of the Unites States was indeed heckled while addressing Congress. The outburst came from Rep. Joe Wilson of South Carolina, who shouted, "you lie!" as Obama argued that his heath care plan would not cover illegal immigrants.

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  2. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Someone finally had the balls to shout that the emperor has no clothes!
     
  3. Frank C

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    retribution will follow tomorrow.....maybe a dui arrest in a few months, or some other made up scandal...
     
  4. Quack Shot

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    Wilson has already apologized. I might agree with what he said, but it's the wrong venue for that sort of outburst. It did make for an interesting moment. Made sleeping through the other 44 minutes almost worth it.
     
  5. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    yep, wrong venue,,,,but the MSM finally had to put it on record and couldn't edit anything!!!
     
  6. B682GX

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    Real classy guys: Congressman Wilson & Governor Sanford!
     
  7. j2jake

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    Wrong venue? Just what is the correct venue? Seems to me that the big problem is "He speak and you listen" no matter how much BS he spurts. I feel the Congressman made the correct statement. Nice jab at talk shows and cable also. Next is a Czar to silence them. Jake
     
  8. Jerbear

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    Should have called him an azzhole.
     
  9. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    682,,,,Maybe if you think real hard, you can say something intelligent....when you aren't worshiping the "chosen one"....
     
  10. bobdog

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    Wilson isn't responsible for this impolite outburst. He was channeling me at the time.

    I made a comment earlier that the only people who would be happy about public option healthcare would be the unemployable and the uninsurable. I forgot to mention the Service Employees International Union. There are provisions in the Senate version of this bill which will pretty much ensure that the healthcare system will be unionized under the SEIU. It also gives the union $10 billion to the SEIU to bail out their own healthcare system, if I read the article right. That pretty much explains all those purple T-Shirts at those town hall meetings last month.

    As we say in Chicago, "the fix is in". Somebody explain to me how unionizing ANYTHING has EVER improved competition or lowered costs. Maybe somebody in the auto industry can explain it. Or the steel industry. Or the railroads.

    This just keeps getting better and better.
     
  11. Westie

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    Should have thrown his shoes at the Pres.
     
  12. Bisi

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    Well I emailed my 2 senators and rep this morning, saying I don't want to have nothing to do with obamacare. I will give them a phone call also this morning.

    I urge others to do the same. They are going to just try and wear us down. They know it is hard for the American public to stay mad very long. They are hoping we vented all our anger in August and now that it is Sept. it is their time.

    Prove em wrong.
     
  13. ivanhoe

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    Wilson has already apologized for what he said. An that is the only mistake he made JMO.

    Bob Lawless
     
  14. shot410ga

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    These actions are common every day in the British Parliment.
     
  15. highflyer

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    I guess for some people it is hard to keep quiet while this corrupt lying communist destroys the country you grew up in.
     
  16. timberfaller

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    What do you mean by "wrong venue"?

    He's made a mockery of the office, He should be called to task, The News media won't!

    When the President speaks before these clowns, He is speaking to the 50 states, NOT the "good ole boy's club"

    The Office is to be respected, but when the holder of said office doesn't respect the public, said voted in reps SHOULD heckle.

    He is just now speaking to the nurses union and blameing Bush for our medical problems and talk radio!!
     
  17. 391 shooter

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    He was lieing, he is a liar, he is a communist, he is a devout Radical Musslim and the only thing he is good at is denouncing our country to other countries, bowing to Kings and appologising for our involvement in the world.

    He and his Czars tell what this person is made of, total radical change of our way of life. Look closely at who he surrounds himself with and the future is clear.

    He and this congress will tax and spend us out of existance and we will be eating more rice and fish, than we ever have, after China walks in and takes over our economic system.
     
  18. stokinpls

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    And to think the dumocrats like to give Bush hell for a few phone taps! What a laugh. Go ahead, tell me all about the last election.



    NO THANKS, MR. PRESIDENT

    You don't understand, Mr. President. It's not about pre-existing conditions or people without coverage or the price of health care.

    It's about the proper role of government, and that's about freedom.

    The answer is, "No." We don't want you to save us, we don't believe in your plan, we don't trust you to do it for us.

    We'd rather be free.

    That's what they don't discuss on the evening news. Amidst all the sob stories about expensive pills and death panels, completely overlooked is the principle involved -- and that is that government should not compete with or replace private enterprise. Nowhere in the Constitution or in our history is the federal government authorized to take over or run health care. It is not an enumerated power and it is not an inferred power, it is an assumed power.

    And we all know what happens when we assume.

    The problem with a runaway federal government -- the sort of government we've known over recent years and months -- is that it violates the principles upon which our Republic was founded. It's funny, but the most complex problems are often solved by the application of the simplest of principles. When you get the basics right, everything else takes care of itself. If you untangle and encourage the appropriate function of government and society -- if you turn loose individual liberty and the free market -- problems fix themselves and success comes to both individuals and society.

    But that's not how things work today, and that's not what the president was thinking last night.

    Instead of limited government and maximized liberty, what the president suggested last night was empowered government and diminished liberty.

    And it doesn't really matter how many stories he tells to make us feel sympathetic, or how much money he offers us, or how many songs he sings about justice and equality and compassion, the fact is that the government is not an insurance company and it is not a hospital, and it shouldn't pretend it is.

    But to the extent that it does, it will fail.

    And it will take us down with it.

    What the president and many in his party fail to realize is that the purpose of the American government is to safeguard freedom. Our Republic is formed around the premise that liberty is our first priority. It is not meant to protect us from every ill, or take away the possibility of failure, or insulate us from our misfortunes and poor choices. It is meant to protect our liberties.

    And anything that takes away our liberties must be resisted.

    Even if it is done in the name of "compassion" or "justice."

    But you can't do the right thing the wrong way, and you do not liberate one man by enslaving another. To feed one citizen another citizen's bread, you must first steal it from that citizen, and crime in the name of compassion is still crime.

    And everything the government touches turns to crap. Each enterprise the federal government puts its hand to turns bitter and failed. Bureaucracy, political correctness and ineptitude breed inefficiency and waste.

    But the greatest waste is freedom -- the freedom to live the way we choose and do our business the way we choose. Health care is fundamentally a private concern. It is not a right, no more than a haircut is a right. Yes, private charity may provide health care -- as it has from the beginning of our nation -- but public compulsion sacrifices a right for a want and must never be tolerated.

    The president though his TelePrompTered eloquence could sway the public, that his magic words would sweep away the will of thousands shouted at town-hall meetings. He thought that his glorified touch would make everything right.

    But he was wrong.

    You can't pick up a turd by the clean end, and you can't do nanny government the right way. He is grabbing power for himself and invoking servitude for us.

    Government is not to compete with or replace private enterprise -- that includes insurance companies and hospitals.

    It is a first principle of our Republic, explained and exemplified by the Founding Fathers and followed by wise leaders since.

    It's not about sob stories, it's about freedom. And, simply put, Mr. President, we don't want what you're selling."
     
  19. bigdogtx

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    Pretty good column



    What the President Ignored
    By Elizabeth MacDonald

    You won’t need a microscope to see what President Barack Obama ignored in his speech on health reform before a joint session of Congress last night.

    To a huge ovation from lawmakers, President Obama kicked off his speech by saying that "I am not the first President to take up this cause, but I am determined to be the last.”

    The very same lawmakers who know full well that the President’s implication here—that his health reform changes will be the last—are belied by the truth that lawmakers have changed Medicare ever since this massive government controlled health care program was launched in the ‘60s.

    A program that made it easier for Blue Cross/Blue Shield to dump their sickest patients onto the U.S. government.

    A government plan that, along with Medicaid, is responsible for covering more than half of the health-care costs in this country, a plan that underbids private insurers and drives up private insurance costs as doctors and hospitals make up the difference on their lower Medicare reimbursements by padding their charges to private plans.

    The fastballs came furiously, and with lightening speed.

    Don’t you deserve at the very least a healthier debate, before the White House and the US Congress change one-sixth of the US economy?

    PayGo Health Care

    The president said last night that his plan won't add to the deficit and that he's so committed to this idea, he'll put in a provision demanding further cuts if the reform costs are too high.

    Remember, Democrats ran on "paygo" in 2006, promising to offset any new spending increases or tax cuts with equal tax increases or spending cuts. But as soon as they took charge on Capitol Hill, the loopholes were written, in which the Dems waived paygo a dozen times to take care of nearly $400 bn in new deficit spending.

    Loopholes sanctioned by the same Democrats who are now ramming through healthcare reform faster than the 18 months it took to get Medicare debated in the Congress in the ‘60s.

    House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and then Majority Leader Steny Hoyer backed paygo three years ago. And Hoyer said in May 2008: "We're absolutely committed to paygo. Speaker [Pelosi] is committed to paygo. I'm very committed to paygo. Our caucus is committed to paygo."

    But last fall, after President Obama won the election, the leader of the House Blue Dog Coalition, Tennessee Democrat James Cooper, said: "I'm not sure the old [paygo] rules are relevant anymore…it would be unfair to the new President to put him in a budget straitjacket."

    How quickly the paygo rules change when it comes to abusing your tax dollars.

    And as Fox Business executive producer Gary Schreier says, ask yourself, where would the president’s "new" spending cuts down the line come from? Is there anything off limits or could the health reform plan start as one thing and then become another for individuals resulting in less care or coverage?

    Taxing Goldplated Plans

    The president also didn't discuss a leading plan put forth by Democrat Max Baucus, which would, among other things, assess a fee against insurers who offer goldplated plans. Would the same, rich plans that elected officials and government workers receive get taxed too, politicans and government workers who pay nearly nothing for their plans?

    Elusive Cost Savings

    Health reform plans since the ‘70s have promised the same thing, that cost savings would make reform self sustaining, cost savings that are about as elusive to catch as a gnat in a hurricane.

    The president is now promising cost savings will be wrung out of doctors and hospitals. But does anyone believe that the American Medical Association, which agreed to the cost cuts, can control the nation's 800,000 doctors or that the American Hospital Association can command the 5,700 hospitals to deliver savings?

    Furthermore, even Dr. Ezekiel Emmanuel, a top advisor to the Obama Administration’s health reform efforts, wrote in the Feb. 27, 2008, issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA): "Vague promises of savings from cutting waste, enhancing prevention and wellness, installing electronic medical records and improving quality of care are merely 'lipstick' cost control, more for show and public relations than for true change."

    And watch for any indication that the Administration’s cloakroom deal with drug companies, who vowed to deliver up to $80 bn in savings, was made in return for the costly promise that Medicare won’t negotiate prescription drug prices, and that the US would not import cheaper drugs from Canada.

    The MIA Deficit Analysis

    Remember, the CBO estimates that the current House proposals not only won't reduce the deficit, but will actually increase it, with one estimate calculating an increase of $239 bn over 10 years. But you didn’t hear the president acknowledge that analysis in his speech last night.

    Watch this analysis from the CBO. The immense budget deficit that the government is running will hit $1.6 tn for this year. That will result in a lot of interest payments to buyers of US debt. According to the CBO, the total net interest payment owed on the deficit will hit $1.5 tn total for the five year period from 2010 to 2014. The CBO estimates that, if 10-year yields and T-bill rates moved back to the average levels of 1990s by 2014, the interest bill on the deficit for the five-year period would rise to $2 tn, the CBO says. Use the '80s average on t-bills, and the interest payments climb to $2.6 tn. So far, Treasury yields have stayed low due to a flight to quality. But how long will that last?

    And Martin Feldstein, chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under President Reagan, a professor at Harvard and a member of The Wall Street Journal's board of contributors, says the CBO's deficit projections are based on optimistic assumptions that the economy will grow at a healthy 3% pace with no recessions during the next decade; that there will be no new spending programs after this year's budget; and that rising national debt will increase the rate of interest on government bonds by less than 1%.

    Talk about deficit attention disorder, as the Financial Times calls it. The paper also said that the US government is spending your tax dollars like drunken sailors—the difference being that sailors spend their own money.

    What the Democrats Ignore

    The reasons why the president’s approval ratings are falling like a blacksmith anvil in the Pacific ocean were made clear last night.

    Time after time, in interview after interview, the habitually self-deceiving Democrats consciously ignore the following in the health care debate:

    That tort reform is needed or the costs of defensive medicine will be dumped onto the backs of the US taxpayer through any government-sponsored plan; that reform will cause the deficit to tear a wider hole in the universe, as the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office has pointed out; and that the economic downturn behooves the president to make sure the financial system, recipient of massive taxpayer-funded bailouts that have not been so cinematically picture perfect, is fixed first.

    The change the president asked Americans to believe in when he campaigned last fall somehow didn’t include the $3.6 tn in new spending, the $787 bn stimulus plan, or a nearly $1 tn overhaul of health care.

    No president, neither Democrat nor Republican, would have won the election last fall if they told the American people the truth, that they planned to blow out the deficit to epic proportions.

    Instead, to critics of his plans for reform, which involves hundreds of billions of dollars in new spending and tax hikes, which misleads the public with the incoherent claim that expanding coverage to 46 mn uninsured Americans is a way to save money, the president said in a Labor Day speech at the AFL-CIO picnic in Cincinnati: “I've got a question for them.”

    “What's your solution?” he said. “And you know what? They don’t have one. Their answer is to do nothing.”

    A statement that ignores the raft of Republican reform ideas, which includes giving Medicare recipients vouchers to purchase their own coverage; reforming tort laws to hopefully save billions of dollars each year in wasteful spending on defensive medicine; and changing state regulations in order to let people buy insurance across state lines.

    Again I ask you, don’t you deserve at the very least a healthier debate, before the White House and the US Congress change one-sixth of the US economy?
     
  20. highflyer

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    The federal government is going to take over health care. They are going to include everyone with lower cost, better quaility care and no rationing. Millions more people covered at lower cost with better quality care, from the federal government. HOW STUPID DO THEY THINK WE ARE? This from the same government that is trillions of dollars in debt and has no idea how to pay off that debt. This from the same government that stole money from the social security system we were all forced to participate in. This from the same government that has no idea how they are going to fund Medicare for the baby boomers. The thieves that ran our government in the ground want to take on more and tell us to trust them. You get the government you deserve. We voted this bunch in so now we are going to get what we deserve.
     
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