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hulls not opening all the way

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by pat drake, Mar 14, 2012.

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  1. pat drake

    pat drake TS Member

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    I reload my own shells and am having some problems with the hulls not opening up all the way when they are shot. It seems like the hulls only open about 2/3 the way so when I reload them the wads are getting caught on the lip if the hull and smash the hull. i use a PW reloader with the electric drive. I am using remington sts and nitro 27 hulls. Not sure what is going on here. Is it my crimp? any sugestions would be greatly appreciated. thanks, Pat.
     
  2. Unknown1

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    The hulls are reaching the end of their useful life. They are getting old and the plastic in the crimps and shoulders is getting brittle.

    The plastic becomes less flexible with repeated firings and the crimps don't stay open after 6 or 7 reloads the way they did after only 2. Pretty soon they will start splitting. I chuck mine after about 7 cycles before they start to split.

    PW sells a cone you can add over the primer punch to spread the mouth of the hull a bit wider as you punch the spent primer. It might help, but I've never caught a wad on the mouth of a hull unless the plastic wad guide had some fingers missing; might want to check yours.

    Keller
     
  3. chipking

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    Pat your wad guide fingers are supposed to go into the mouth of the hulls and spread them as the wad is pushed down into the hull. Could be your wad guide fingers are worn out or broken, Could be that the guide is not lined up correctly. Did this problem just start when you had been getting good no problem reloads before. Have you read the PW manual to make sure you are doing the correct thing at the wad insertion station? If you don't have a manual go to Whiz White's website and download one. On the P/W you push the wad down with your finger after placing it in the guide until you feel it contact the guide fingers.

    How many times have the hulls been loaded? It is possible to wear them out and the front becomes brittle and wad snagging can occur even when all else is correct.

    --- Chip King ---
     
  4. Ahab

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    Check the wad guide to see if it moves down easily. If not, take it apart and clean it thoroughly and lube with a bit of graphite ... NOT oil or grease!
     
  5. Bird30

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    I have had the same problem with STS's. I am talking about new shells that have been fired once. STS's are stiff plastic and how I solved my problem, is that I ordered a shell former from Ballistic Specialist in Minn. You put it in a drill motor or drill press and just a few turns and the Hull mouth will stay open. It solved all the problems you are having.

    Dave
     
  6. Shoot n Holler

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    Does your unt have the shell spreader on the primer seating rod? Mine has a collar to open the mouth of the shell at the primer station. Call Whiz.
     
  7. shot410ga

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    Buy the hull spreader from PW and new wad guide fingers. I've done this and it works perfectly on AA's or STS.
     
  8. cubancigar2000

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    The hull spreader while a good idea is not needed if the wad guide fingers are in tact and the wad guide works up and down as it is supposed to. The type of hull should make no difference either. I have had my P2000 for over 10 years & each time I experience what you are it is the wad guide fingers or system dirty
     
  9. Bird30

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    Maybe I should have stated that I load on a Dillon. Also it doesn't help me to replace the wad guide but I don't load on a PW, never owned one.

    Dave
     
  10. dead on 4

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    What gun are you shooting these out of ?

    Surfer
     
  11. wolfram

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    I'm pretty sure the hulls are opening up when you fire them - but they are obviously worn past their elastic limit. Toss em and start over with a fresh batch.
     
  12. letts

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    I did a search,"Ballistic products Inc." is The name of the company who has the shell former. I have some STS shells which have given me the same problem so I ordered the tool. 19.95 plus shipping.

    Letts
     
  13. Unknown1

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    Frankly, you're wasting time and money with a $20+ tool.

    You're adding extra work to shells that have reached the end of their usability. It won't be long that they will begin to crack, split and come apart. There's really no logic in wasting time trying to resurrect worn out hulls; just replace them when they reach that point.

    Keller
     
  14. letts

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    Keller, my time , my money, I do not agree

    Letts
     
  15. Bird30

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    Keller my hulls that I am having trouble are my hulls that are fresh factory shells that I fired that haven't been loaded. I only load for 16 yard line most of the time. Some small shoots I will shoot reloads on handicap.

    Letts just be careful that you don't put to much pressure if you use a drill press. It is easy to spilt the mouth of the hull. I mostly use a small drill motor. Just a suggestion. :)

    Dave
     
  16. shot410ga

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    If your having the problem on a Dillon catching the edge of the shell during wad insertion, your shell plate is out of alignment with the wad insertion tool. Call Dillon for adjustment details, they should walk you through the problem. You also might try Clay-Buster wads. they have a more rounded bottom, designed not to catch on the sharp corners of the shell mouth. It's a minor adjustment. You could also use the hull spreader (PW) on a drill press, to open up the shell before reloading. Put the shell spreader on some drill rod.
     
  17. Unknown1

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    bird30...

    I can't help ya. I've never used a Dillon.

    Keller
     
  18. Bird30

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    shot410ga The problem that I have is the 8 point crimp on STS's stick through the fingers of the wad guide letting the wad catch on the points of the STS's. It doesn't do it on any other hull. I really don't know why it only does it with Remington shells unless they are stiffer plastic. Every thing else is in line.

    Dave
     
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