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How would you properly classify a shooter

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Taprackflip, Sep 27, 2012.

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  1. Taprackflip

    Taprackflip Member

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    I have heard of several different methods of how classifiers would classify an individual for singles.

    I have heard the "known ability" rule, which I think is often improperly used. You can't discard a high score and a low score. That's not what the rule book says.

    I have also heard of classifiers using the last 500 targets, I don't believe that is correct either.

    Please give me your insight on how a shooters class is established.

    Thanks,

    Jorge
     
  2. Barry C. Roach

    Barry C. Roach Well-Known Member

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    Moves like this are usually used on folks that are suspected of sandbagging. It's a necessary evil that sometimes gets pointed toward the innocent. Have patience with the classifiers, they have a tough job protecting the majority of honest shooters from the cheaters.

    If you're not cheating and are getting classified improperly, you'll need to appeal to your State/Provincial delegate.
     
  3. CalvinMD

    CalvinMD Well-Known Member

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    I think we should classify by belly size and age...undernourished, large, XXLarge and perfect(AAA class)
     
  4. Taprackflip

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    lmfao. Kinda reminds me of that song by bobby bear.
     
  5. Taprackflip

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    I will post a scenario tomorrow and you tell me how you would have classified the shooter. This was a real occurrence. The shooter actually won the class in a major shooting event.
     
  6. Taprackflip

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    Ok, how would you classify a shooter with the following scores presented from oldest to newest:
    178
    92
    98
    88
    95
    92
    99
    98
    191
    94
    95
    99
    96
    98
    191
    192
    94
    93
    198

    The event has 6 classes.
     
  7. Big Jack

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    He has shot a 96% on the last 1000. 96% in a six class division places him in "AA" by the current rule book. That is unless he has some pull with the classification committee and cries his eyes out and limped to the table pleading for another chance at "A" because he was barely in "AA" and had trouble standing long enough to shoot. Sometimes those sob stories work!

    Big Jack
     
  8. gdbabin

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    Taprackflip,

    It is not polite to brag. Nice shooting.



    Guy B.
     
  9. BigM-Perazzi

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    AA, but, discounting the 198 which your referring to, probably A by avg and recent scores...
     
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    I had very similar scores which added to 95.75% and was classified in AA which started at 96.25%. The only problem I did have is I'm not a very good doubles shooter and that classification took away any chance of HOA or HAA in my class. But then again I'm glad I'm shooting that well on the 16..
     
  12. oskerspap12

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    Damn...............I wish I had scores like that.

    D.P.Reynolds
     
  13. miketmx

    miketmx Well-Known Member

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    We have talked about this many times before. The bottom line is that the ATA rule book has guidelines for classification but not hard and fast rules. This is how it should be, local shoot management has a much better idea of how an individual shooter should be classified than the ATA. Sure there are some cases where this concept fails but usually it is the best way.
     
  14. Taprackflip

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    So are you saying that the "official rulebook" is really a guideline?
    I do not see anywhere in the classification where the classifier looks at the last 500 or 1000 target to determine class. Additionally, I do not see where it says to throw out a high score and a low score??
    I would at least think that in the above example the 88 and 89 would be discarded as abnormally low scores.

    I've seen alot of crying on this site about how the NFL sub refs blew the call last week. But here in our sport, every rule is subject to interpretation. I have heard from various representatives how they class shooters and none of them follow the rule.

    Here is what the official rule book says:
    C. CLASSIFICATION
    1. For 16-yard targets and Doubles, shooters should be placed in three
    (3) or more classes, according to their established average and/or
    known ability. A new shooter may be assigned to any class in 16-yards
    and Doubles events, at the discretion of classification personnel until
    the shooter establishes his/her known ability.
    a. To arrive at known ability the following should be taken into
    consideration as far as such information is or can be made
    available:
    (1) Official registered targets (abnormally low scores should be
    disregarded). Averages of all registered shooters are compiled
    and published annually.
    (2) Non-registered scores including Shoot-off scores, nonregistered
    events, practice scores, etc.
    (3) Any other information bearing on a shooter’s ability to shoot
    and break targets.
     
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    a. To arrive at known ability the following should be taken into consideration as far as such information is or can be made available: (1) Official registered targets (abnormally low scores should be disregarded). Averages of all registered shooters are compiled and published annually. (2) Non-registered scores including Shoot-off scores, nonregistered events, practice scores, etc. (3) Any other information bearing on a shooter’s ability to shoot and break targets.

    Pretty well answers the question....

    Maybe they need a 168 page case book....
     
  16. miketmx

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    A couple of pages further on in the Rule book has the following which I consider to be guidelines:


    5. For better classification of shooters it is suggested that the following
    method be used.
    a. If the shooter has less than 500 targets on current year’s Average
    Card, use the previous year average and known ability.
    b. If the shooter has between 500 and 1,000 targets (inclusive) on
    his/her current year’s Average Card, use the current average and
    known ability or the previous year’s average and known ability,
    whichever is higher.

    You can assume that an extension of the above is: If a shooter has more than 1000 targets in the current year, use the current years average and known ability.

    In PITA rules, Singles Class is based on the last 1000 targets shot and abnormally low scores can be dis-regarded. Also in PITA rules, you must carry your previous years card if there are less than 1000 targets on the current card.
     
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    Its been my experience that the classifications are thus....

    Nice guy ,good shot

    nice guy, ok shot

    Gun snob , good shot

    Gun snob , ok shot

    General asshole , no one cares

    Easier to keep track of!

    EdH
     
  18. Unknown1

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    Why not just classify everybody AFTER they shoot...same as a Lewis.

    Plenty of clubs do that for single events and leagues. Makes use of "demonstrated ability" and not some vague "known ability" criteria..."known" by WHO?

    Would probably eliminate sandbagging.

    Keller
     
  19. gdbabin

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    First I've heard of this method Keller--interesting. I wonder if it's ever been seriously considered for ATA....


    I also wonder what Brad D. would say.



    Guy Babin
     
  20. Shootrman

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    My two cents! My personal opinion is not the class but the money. Keller has a great idea but unfortunately the ATA will "NEVER" cure the problem until they classify the "PROS" just that.....PROS! Keep the money bet within that class. This has been hashed over and over. It's a dead end road. Everyone has an opinion but no one has a solution. Sounds like Obama
     
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