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How was Sparta chosen??????

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  1. Fox32

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    How was Sparta chosen?
    What other offers were made from other places?
    Why were the other places (if any) turned down?
    Why could we not stay at Vandalia?

    Give us newer shooters some facts and insight since many do not know how Sparta came to be....By the way, I have shot at both and Sparta is world class in every way. Great targets and well run.....
     
  2. bigdogtx

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    Don't know all the inside information, but my understanding is that the lease at Vandalia was not renewed and the land could not be bought.
     
  3. Barry C. Roach

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    Illinois' brought their "A" game with a complete plan and the guts to build it whether the ATA decided to come or not.

    All others had unacceptable flaws or incomplete plans. There was no viable competition.
     
  4. The Rock

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    Could get interesting with the state of IL with a budget of -11 Billion in red ink. This is 1/3 of the states budget.

    * Cutting one third of the budget is equivalent to cutting 56,057 Illinois teachers - 3 teachers for every 100 students in the state. (At your average 1,000-student school, that’s 30 teachers!)


    * Eliminating regional superintendents and their assistants, the School Breakfast Incentive program, the Illinois Free Lunch and Breakfast program, Early Childhood Education, Driver Education and Advanced Placement statewide would only save $450 million - 4.5% of the education budget - hardly enough to balance the budget.

    Health Care

    * emergency-roomCuts to Medicaid would have a ripple effect throughout Illinois’ health care system. A one-third reduction in the state’s Medicaid spending is equivalent to cutting:

    o 7,000 nursing home workers statewide - that would mean 5 fewer caregivers in every publicly-funded nursing home in the state.

    o 40,000 hospital workers statewide - that would mean 200 fewer workers in every publicly-funded community hospital in the state.


    * In order to cut home care spending by one third, the state would need to cut 17,000 seniors from the Community Care Program , a long-term care option that allows seniors to stay in their homes at a lower cost than institution-based care.


    * The state could also reduce the amount the state reimburses health care providers - doctors, hospitals, nursing homes, pharmacists, dentists and more - for services provided through Medicaid.


    o Reducing reimbursements to nursing homes by one third would save the state $170 million.


    o Reducing reimbursements to hospitals by one third would save the state $1 billion

    Colleges & Universities

    * Increasing tuition by $1,000 per state college or university student would only save the state $202.5 million.


    * To save $1 billion, the state would need to increase tuition by $5,000 per state college or university student.

    State Parks

    * Closing one park in Illinois saves the state $1 million. In order to reduce spending on state parks by one third, the state would need to close 43 state parks.

    State Employees

    * Illinois has fewer employees now than it did in 1972-despite needed expansion of state programs and services. The result is higher caseloads and safety issues at state facilities.


    o Cutting 5,000 state employees would only save the state $302 million.


    o Eliminating half of all the state employees in Illinois would save $1.75 billion annually.

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  5. Hauxfan

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    They hung a map of the United States on the wall, and the President of the ATA threw a dart over his shoulder while blindfolded and it stuck on Sparta, Ill.

    And that is the true story of how we came to be in Sparta.

    Hauxfan!
     
  6. phirel

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    The true story is that we really had no choice after the Indiana site was eliminated from consideration. The anti-gun state was the only one that would build a home grounds for us. The pro-gun state of Ohio (where much of the anti-gun movement originated) told us we had to leave and offered no alternatives.

    Pat Ireland
     
  7. grnberetcj

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    Like any other business that failed, the past ATA EC's failed miserably in foresight and preparedness for a future shooting/home venue.

    Fortunately for the shooter's, the state of IL came to the rescue.

    Curt
     
  8. shadow

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    $$$$ for some politicians and Peabody Coal Co. is the real answer to your question.
     
  9. BigM-Perazzi

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    Actually, I like Pat's and Barry's answers best....
     
  10. oleolliedawg

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    And they even designed it without the 30yd. line!!
     
  11. Auctioneer

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    They had Vegas, Tx and Ohio did there best to keep them there but for what ever reason the Board went to Ill. Vegas is suppose to be one hell of a place to shoot.
     
  12. Jawhawker

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    We did not have Vegas as the delegate from there relayed to the board that the facility would not be completed in necessary time frame and from what I recall, couldn't give the board a specific date of completion.

    Ohio, how did Ohio try to hel keep us there???????????

    Texas is another story. If Jimmy Borum is viewing hopefully, then I will let him expound upon this one.
     
  13. Big Heap

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    This long after the event, someone should research and document the history of the move. Maybe too many of the players are still around.

    http://www.campaignforillinoisfuture.org/crisis/ as quoted by "The Rock", how long will it be before some Illinois politician looks at the income vs: investment at Sparta and tries to sell the facility - at a fraction of the state's cost to build?
     
  14. phirel

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    Actually, Ohio did offer an alternative not too far from Vandalia. But the site was long, narrow and hilly. It ran North to South and would have required the traps to face either East or West. After a preliminary examination, it was concluded that the site could not work for us.

    Pat Ireland
     
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    I seem to remember a site that was adequate in every way but would have required a dual line. Where was that and why was it rejected? JRM
     
  16. ebsurveyor

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    oleolliedawg,some traps already have the 30 yard line or maybe the 29.
     
  17. Dave P

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    Barry Roach: I'd like to hear or read your views on what you say. You seem to have some inside information. This is an honest question and that's all. Dave Promen, Canton, IL.
     
  18. oleolliedawg

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    EB, boy was I dumb. Even dumber not to use them!!
     
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    PARKERGUY

    "Give us newer shooters some facts and insight since many do not know how Sparta came to be....By the way, I have shot at both and Sparta is world class in every way."

    PARKERGUY if you have "shot both" as you put it how can you call yourself a newer shooter?????

    How many season does one need to understand this game and how it works? How many years does one need to understand the reason that the site of the largest trap shoot in the world got where it is???? Why would you wait five years to ask??????

    Could you be on a little fishing expedition to see what kind of a controversy one can get started??????

    Bob Lawless
     
  20. Fox32

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    Bob, fair enough question with some sarcasm included. I shot Vandalia in the late 80's and quit for twenty years when other priorites came about. I am just asking a simple and fair question.
     
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