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How to solve trap league problem?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by bodybuilder, Jul 8, 2009.

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  1. bodybuilder

    bodybuilder TS Member

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    Our small club created a league with 7 3 people teams. The teams score is based on 75 targets each person shooting 25. The problem is when 1 team member does'nt show up. Some say alternating shooters on the team to shoot the missing members score is the right thing to do, Others say the ones absent should be allowed to make up their score at a later date. The problem is I'm in charge of the paper work and it has become a nightmare with people not showing up and then not showing up at the next shoot. How would be a good way to handle this problem? Thanks
     
  2. skeezix

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    we only allow a shoot back for the first week, after that you are penalized. IIRC we use an average -1 bird for the first miss, average -2 birds for the second miss, etc. We do allow a shoot ahead, but it must be shot on a league night.

    That allows you to close the weeks results.

    john
     
  3. fssberson

    fssberson Active Member

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    I would say let the team opposing the short squad pre-select two shooters to shoot against the two shooters who showed up with the 3rd shooter shooting for HOA.
     
  4. timb99

    timb99 Well-Known Member

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    Let them make up one miss, then give them a 15 "blind score" for any nights missed after that.

    Letting them shoot ahead raises its own problems. What if they shoot ahead on a night that is perfect, no wind, good light? Then the next week, everybody else gets rain, wind, burning hail, that sort of thing?
     
  5. Bucko43

    Bucko43 Well-Known Member

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    One way you can solve this is to set up 5 man squads with one squad being a 6 man squad. You would only count the 4 highest scores from each team and that way one man can miss a night shooting and your score sheet doesn't get messed up.

    Another way is to leave it the way it is let the mssing person make up the shoot at a later date. We have been running trap leagues since 2003 with the "5 man squad and counting the 4 highest scores" method and it works really well for us.

    Kevin
     
  6. stokinpls

    stokinpls Well-Known Member

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    The missing guy gets a "20" or his average, whichever is less.
     
  7. Old Cowboy

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    I'm totally opposed to league make-ups and shoot-aheads. Allowing them just invites shooters to only shoot when the weather's nice.

    John C. Saubak
     
  8. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

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    There is nothing wrong with shooting ahead. There are times when vacations, family events, etc. just prevent a shooter frome being there.

    So the opposing team is given the opportunity to shoot ahead also, and unequal weather conditions becomes a non issue.

    HM
     
  9. spitter

    spitter Well-Known Member TS Supporters

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    For our former team league programming, we incorporated a "blind" provision. We required that everyone had to shoot the first 2 weeks. We would then allow a "blind" score to be used 2 times over an 8 week league. This would be equal to the shooters' running average less two birds. If the person missed a third week, the score would be zero.

    Folks who knew they would be gone, could shoot ahead on an open position that same evening, pacing with another team.

    Otherwise, sometimes you just have to penalize folks. If they can't reasonably expect to participate with their team, then they shouldn't have registered in the first place. You do have a responsibility toward your teammates.

    With many of our regulars working later hours, we would run out of time for teams to shoot together in the evenings... we ended up going back to individual league programming...

    regards to all,

    Jay
     
  10. Old Cowboy

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    Is there any reason why there should have to be teams, whether 3 man or 5 man or whatever? In my club we've got a little league going.......no teams, everybody shoots only for himself therefore if somebody doesn't shoot on any given week he doesn't hurt any team-mates. No shoot-aheads, no make-ups.....we shoot on thursday evening, period....rain or shine, windy or calm, hot or cold. The shooter must specify "league round" before he shoots it. After shooting is done that evening the shooters are paired in a random draw and their scores are added together for a possible ##X50. A new draw is made each week. Any league member that doesn't show up gets an automatic 25 (25x50)for that week. If a member is there shooting practice but fails to specify a "league round" before he leaves......we'll give him the lowest of his 16 yd practice scores that's on a scoresheet.

    Works out pretty well for us, the draw scoring kind'a levels the playing field some, the "shoot'em Thursday evening rain or shine" insures we don't have people shooting ahead or making up when the weather's nice to avoid shooting in the wind. We have a pretty small club but we award three league awards at season's end........Champion....Runner-up Champ.....& "Uncle Louie". The "Uncle Louie" award is the same quality prize as the top two and is awarded to the year-end score that's right in the middle of the list.......like, at years end the scores are listed in descending order from the highest to the lowest, a line is drawn right thru' the middle of the list and the name that's just above the "Louie line" wins the award.

    John C. Saubak

    Scobey Gun Club
     
  11. KENENT1

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    we give them their average -4 birds for a no show, or they can use a sub.




    tony
     
  12. DTrykow

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    I shoot a nighttime slide league and they have seven teams of 5. Only the top 3 scores are counted. If a team member misses a night he is allowed to make it up anytime during the rest of the league. The make-up score only counts against his own personal score and not the teams. Awards are given for HOA team score, HOA Individual score and Highest teammate score. 10 weeks of 50 shots a night. 1st round @ 16yards. 2nd round is based on the average of the 3 highest 16yd scores. Now if you miss a night the make-up consists of One 16yard round and One 25yard round(A penality for not showing up). Fun league especially under the lights. Dave T.
     
  13. tom berry

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    I used to shoot in a league of 80 - 10 person teams. It was a very structured league with assigned nights and shooting times varying from 6:00pm to 9:00pm.

    Shoot aheads were allowed and we had cards that we filled out with the date the shoot ahead was shot for and the score that was shot. If shooting ahead for a late time 8:30 or 9:00 your were supposed to shoot ahead at that time. No restrictions on the number of shoot aheads.

    Unlike your league if a shooter didn't show it didn't matter. We only counted the top 5 scores of the ten shooters.

    This was, and still is all tracked manually.

    We had a league meeting every spring to discuss any proposed rule changes etc. It gave the shooters input into the league structure and gave the people running the league an opportunity to let the shooters know what some of the issues were.

    I shot in a different league at another club and they allowed a shoot back and only shoot ahead for the immediate two preceeding weeks. So a person could show up every 4 weeks and shoot 100 targets. That process works for them.

    Bottom line is every club is different and you need to set the rules as you see fit.
     
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