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HOW MUCH MONEY DOES IT COST TO MAKE A SHOTGUN

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  1. senior smoke

    senior smoke Well-Known Member

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    hello:
    i went to gander mountain yesterday, i was shocked to see how much they are charging for a new rem 870 trap gun, as well as for a rem 1100 trap gun. the 870 was priced at $879.00, and the 1100 trap at $999.00. when i first started to shoot in 1970, if i remember, a 870 tb trap was $160.00, monte carlo stock was an extra $5.00. the 1100 trap was $180.00, and the monte carlo was $5.00 extra too. years ago remington had really nice looking wood on tb's and tc's. my question is, how much do you think it cost remington to make these guns? also, why doesn't remington put nice wood on their guns like years ago?
    steve balistreri
     
  2. Rem870TB

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    Feed the following data into;

    http://www.westegg.com/inflation/infl.cgi

    $160.00

    1970

    2007 (latest year on the calculator)

    ....and you get $895.50, with is $15.50 over the $879.00 price quoted for 2008 at gander mountain.

    By that inflation calculator, the 1970 $180.00 1100 should now be $1007.43, the new one is $8.43 below inflation.

    As for the wood, the wood on my 2005 1100CT as well as the last couple 870CT's I have seen is as nice, or nicer than the wood on my 1976 870TB, which isn't bad either.
     
  3. hoggy

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    I was still overseas in 1970.
     
  4. phirel

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    Rem870TB showed us above that the price has actually decreased nearly $8.50 in the last 37 years.

    Pat Ireland
     
  5. Rem870TB

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    "But after you count the soft cost, health care insurance, liability insurance, employee retirement program, customer service cost, marketing cost, and wholesaler/dealer discounts"

    True, but one got missed........the legal costs and payout from the 1995 FRIVOLOUS “barrel issue” class action suit and similar actions.

    Remington Arms settled a class action suit in 1995 for $31.5 million. From; http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/nralitfs.htm

    U.S. manufactures face staggering and unpredictable costs for litigations like this.

    I never participated in the class action suit or applied for any money from it. I quite happily shoot my older 870’s without any concern. In 40 years of shooting at enough clubs I have lost count, I have never seen or even heard of one of these barrels failing.

    Born free, sued to death.
     
  6. ATF Agent

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    Steve,

    It costs exactly $79.31 (US).
     
  7. code5coupe

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    "True, but one got missed........the legal costs and payout from the 1995 FRIVOLOUS “barrel issue” class action suit and similar actions.
    Remington Arms settled a class action suit in 1995 for $31.5 million."

    I don't know about their legal costs, but the payout was, effectively, zero.
    I was one in that class. The payout consisted of a voucher for a few dollars off the next purchase of a Remington firearm.
    The cost to Remington: well, what's a coupon cost?

    A few errors in thinking: of the $879 MSRP, you can knock off $100 since no one pays MSRP. Then, another hundred or so for dealer profit, and another hundred for the distributor's share. Figure Remington gets about $580 for their part.
    They deserve every nickel.

    I am amazed at how many American begrudge businesses their profit. Take away the profits from the business YOU work for, and your WAGES are in real danger.
    Sounds like too many folks are buying into the Democrat's spiel about "excessive profit", in which ANY profit is excessive. US socialism is on its way, my friends, unless we wake up.
     
  8. wm rike

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    Cool link! So a #3.25 box of trap loads in 1963 would be over $22 today.
     
  9. alf174

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    <i>my question is, how much do you think it cost remington to make these guns?</i>

    Probably more than they're selling them for but you need one to shoot their ammo (a commodity that keeps the cash flow going).
     
  10. berettagold53954

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    thats still cheap for a trap gun i wanna know about kand p guns you know it doesnt cost anywhere near what they sell for
     
  11. senior smoke

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    what everyone is forgeting, have our wages really kept up with inflation?
    steve balistreri
     
  12. bigbore613

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    Three years ago I bought a new 870 special purpose for $225 and sent in a rebate for the $25 for a total of $ @00 dollars . How much more to make a wingmaster? Jeff
     
  13. phirel

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    senior smoke- For many, their wages have not kept up with inflation but their spending has.

    Pat Ireland
     
  14. shot410ga

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    Not much if your a good machinest and you have a mill and a lathe. I once knew a guy that made a colt 45 auto and a Ljutic in his garage.
     
  15. Gary Waalkes

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    shot410 - be careful what you write about and what you remember. The BATF is always interested in folks who make guns in the garage.
     
  16. Joe Woods

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    I bought a nice pickup truck in 1970/ No air or power windows.
    It is likely easier to come up with $1000.00 today than $200. in 1970.

    Joe Woods/Ontario
     
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    "Not much if your a good machinest and you have a mill and a lathe. I once knew a guy that made a colt 45 auto and a Ljutic in his garage."



    LOL!!!!!!!!!
     
  18. shot410ga

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    blizzard: The guy also made a Offenhouser Mini engine that ran! Plus about every type of mini steam engine ever designed. And, most of the material he used was scrap. I don't know if he ever shot those guns. They were in the "white" when I saw them. I have no idea what material he used.
     
  19. Dennis DeVault

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    The biggest cost in production is the R&D expense that in most cases is very difficult to recover. Also when looking at a $900.00 shotgun most of the big retail stores demand at least a 25% margin when they buy the guns for inventory. So a $900.00 shotgun has a price before margins of $675.00 and that does not include the cost of a sales force, advertising, tooling cost and all the other cost that go into the production of the gun. Making something today for $675.00 you had better be real creative and know your machine tools very well or on a big production run you can loose your backside real fast. Remember that you do not make up losses on more volume you just dig a bigger hole.

    Dennis DeVault
     
  20. ccw1911

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    JFYI it's perfectly legal for someone who is not otherwise prohibited from owning a firearm to build a firearm for his personal use. The firearm can't be something that falls under the NFA (machine gun, short barrel)and must be legal to own. You also cannot sell it.
     
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