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How many American lives before waterboarding OK?

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Bushmaster1313, Jan 22, 2010.

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  1. Bushmaster1313

    Bushmaster1313 Well-Known Member

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    Bushmaster's campaign reform Rule No. 1

    All candidates for any position with national security implications must answer the following question on TV:

    "How many American lives have to be on the line before it is okay to waterboard a sworn Al Queda Jihadi terrorist?"
     
  2. Shooting Coach

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    The Liberal left seems to think the rights and lives of the terrorists are more important the those of our citizenry.
     
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    Send the Liberal Left to Zimbabwe so they can create their Utopia there.

    HM
     
  4. Bushmaster1313

    Bushmaster1313 Well-Known Member

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    Flincher:

    Afghanistan: Started by Taliban/Al Queda

    Iraq: There are things you don't know

    How many lives do YOU think need to be on the line before waterboarding is okay?
     
  5. Bushmaster1313

    Bushmaster1313 Well-Known Member

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    Flincher:

    Please answer the question.
     
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    Our genuis Gov't does not only not waterboard they don't even question, that way we'll really be protected just ignore the problem. They use our tax dollars to hire lawyers to protect the terroists, brilliant!!!!!!!!!

    warren
     
  7. wolfram

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    Okay so just how much do you trust our government to use this information gathering technique only on the 'bad' guys.

    It is not so far fetched that you could be branded a domestic terrorist based solely on the dribble you post on the information super highway. Next step, waterboarding until you confess to being part of some larger conspiracy. Because after all it is a really effective torture and if you have anything to say you will say it. Probably even name all your so called friends as co- conspirators.

    Still want the spooks to be able to use these techniques without the benefit of due process?

    It is exactly this form of behavior that provides the terrorist with a victory. Their goal is invoke enough fear in us that we stop being who we are and become more like them and blindly place our lives in the hands of repressive forms of government.
     
  8. Bushmaster1313

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    Wolfram:

    Not talking about forced confession. My question asked about sworn Jihadi's and the purpose is to save lives.

    So, same question to you

    How many before it is okay?
     
  9. grnberetcj

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    If it is "War", then there is no "Due Process".

    Our Rights as set forth in the Constitution/Amendments/Bill of Rights are guidelines for the prosecution of criminal behavior and for the protection of United States citizens (key word being citizen).

    Nowhere in our founding documents is the phrase due process mentioned in regards to war.

    War by it's very nature is barbaric (and rightly so) and there is no place for "due process". Whomever thinks otherwise should get off their med's now (or in some cases, start your med's now).

    Curt
     
  10. EE

    EE Banned User Banned

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    ONE. Waterboarding is child's play compared to what needs to be done to them.

    Wet bamboo under the fingernails comes to mind...

    EE
     
  11. Bushmaster1313

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    You are ducking the question.

    Assume that American lives are on the line. How many have to be on the line until you would authorize waterboarding?
     
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    Waterboarding and many other forms of torture are good for one thing....gathering BAD intel. If you beat someone long enough they'll tell you whatever you want just so you'll stop.

    If you're in the field do you really want to base your tactics on the word of a guy who would say anything just to make his interrogators stop?
     
  13. Bushmaster1313

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    That is a different question.

    I want to smoke the Liberals out for who they are. If it would help would they do it? Simple question that deserves a simple answer.
     
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    ROTFLMAO...........Why do the moderators even allow this childish bullshit to go on?
     
  15. RobertT

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    There is usually a hidden meaning in the names chosen for forums etc. Somehow I don't think flincher100,s has anything to do with trigger control, though flincher stands out.

    Robert
     
  16. 87AA

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    Bushmaster,

    One small problem. You asked "IF" it would help. "IF" does not lend itself to a simple answer because it only leads to more questions/debate. You are asking for a simple answer to a very complex question. First prove that GOOD information gathered during waterboarding has saved lives and that BAD information gathered during waterboarding has NOT cost any lives then you might find a simple answer to your question.
     
  17. Bushmaster1313

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    Stop ducking a hard question.

    Reminds me of a politician who relied on what the definition of "is" is.

    He got disbared by Arkansas for that sophistry and just about anything is considered ethical in Arkansas!
     
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    Not talking about forced confessions?

    Ahhh.... you really don't get this torture thing do you Bushmaster. The reason it is done is because we want intel. That means we really didn't know if the person was/is a Jihadist or what they have done or what they are planning next. All of that is suspect, if we actually knew that stuff them the torture would just be for sadist thrills.

    In case you missed the news flash, the war on terrorism is a war without boarders. That being the case what makes you think we can allow torture and expect it to only occur outside our boaders and only to the bad guys?

    Want to save our service people from getting wasted in the sand pit? How about bringing them home?
     
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    flincher100

    "If you REALLY value our citizen's lives, you don't start (two) wars!"

    We didn't start any wars we, and we are only fighting one "The War On Terrorism" And it nows no boundaries no countries. If those Muslim fanatics had stayed in there own countries where ever that may be the this discussion wouldn't be happening.

    If you think it is acceptable for those freaks to kill American citizens just because of there "Religion" then there are obviously many things you don't know. The most obvious is right from wrong. That is however not the most inclusive.

    BTW whether long term or just one American life I say go ahead and waterboard. Of course you be so squeemish and such a moral pillar of the community. The right think to do isn't always moral.

    Bob Lawless
     
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    Hell. Let's water board every damned one of the SOBs. It's about time we quit screwing around and got down to some real cowboy and muslim action.







    Jim
     
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