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*How Long to Make the 27?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Onceabum, May 31, 2009.

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  1. Onceabum

    Onceabum TS Member

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    I think it would interest many of the shooters, especially the younger ones, to know how long it took for some of the 27 yarders to make the “Back Fence.” I would certainly be interested. Thanks.

    Booger
     
  2. Kent

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    It took me 6 years, but my squadmate just made it last week after over 30 years of shooting.
     
  3. walnutmaker

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    Started shooting registered in April of 84 and in Oct of 84 made the 27. Took 3300 handicap targets to get there and did it in a tie for high gun at the old Reno gun club with a 97 in the wind-- and I mean wind! Shot off with Bonillas and lost! Phil Simms Stockmaker
     
  4. Charlie Becknell

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    I took me 27 years to turn 27, however, when I was 26, it only took a year. As for the 27 yd line, I step on it ever time I go to shoot as I walk forward on the trapline.

    Charlie
     
  5. walnutmaker

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    Mr Blue, I forgot to add--- it took me many years AFTER getting to the 27 to really learn how to shoot well from that distance! I don't shoot that much these days but seem to stay in the 90's most of the time! Phil
     
  6. rick979

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    Rushing to hit the 27 can be a big mistake. You can get there with some pretty puny scores. Then you can stay there and shoot LOTS of puny scores. A shooter needs to be learning as he moves back. It does not often happen that way.
     
  7. berettagold53954

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    still working on it took 4 yrs to get off 20 then went from 20-25 in 1 yr now on 2nd season trying to go further
     
  8. Rvator97

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    11 Months / 3900 targets
     
  9. Pocatello

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    I started shooting in 1978, and finally made it in 2008 after 29,600 ATA registered handicap targets. I didn't shoot all of the years in between - I essentially took off from 1986 to 1997, but then I "cheated" to get there too. I requested an increase from 22.5 to 25 in 2007 so I could squad with friends at the SW Grand. As for a difference between shooting from up closer or back, my averages are essentially the same. It does seem easier up closer when I shoot there in practice now, but my errors seem to come in bunches. If I make a good move on the targets, I hit it hard, but every once in a while, about three times per round or so, the wheels come off.
     
  10. walnutmaker

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    To Pocatello and Rick, THE most important thing in shooting handicap is seeing---REALLY seeing the target. You work on that aspect of your shooting and you WILL make a good move to the target every time.
    And Rick I didn't shoot puny scores--I broke 97's, 98's and 99's to get to the 27 and all were at big shoots and 3 HOLE Targets.
    That said---- I still
    had to re-learn how to consistently shoot from the back fence!
    Good luck guys! Phil
     
  11. JACK

    JACK Well-Known Member Supporting Vendor

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    I made the 26 in 2 years and 3400 hcp targets. Then began to crossfire. Then like Pocatello, I took about a dozen years off and am trying to shoot good handicap scores once again.
     
  12. phirel

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    It took me nearly 20 years. Making the 27 appears to be a great goal until you get there. But, after you reach that goal, you soon realize that it is not what you expected. Reminds me of a girl I dated in College.

    Pat Ireland
     
  13. oleolliedawg

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    Really long. I spent many years running my business, coaching my younger son, and spending my excess capital on providing him the opportunity to make 4-ATA All-American teams. When he made the 27 before me I no longer was able to tolerate his abuse and made the effort to gain the 1/2yd. I needed for the fence.

    That may have been around 1995!!
     
  14. shot410ga

    shot410ga Well-Known Member

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    Thirteen months. After 25+ years, took a reduction to the 26. Now I may live the rest of my life there.....
     
  15. 320090T

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    Started in 81 and still not there but I can at least see it now.
     
  16. Pocatello

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    Jerry:

    Some of the answers to your questions were in the thread "ATA Member List" I started a while back. To refresh your memory, Neil provided me with the data from the 2008 Average Book in MS Excel format, and I looked at it in various ways. One of the posts:

    Once again, many thanks to Neil for providing the 2008 Average Book data in Excel format. Here is some information I've gleaned about handicap shooters for 2008. Please realize the yardage listed below is the yardage where the shooter finished the year, but many of the targets may have been shot at other yardages because of punches or reductions. For example, I started the target year at 25.5 yards, shot 1200 targets there, was punched to the 26.5, shot 300 targets there, and was punched to the 27, shooting my final 1000 targets there. However my record will show up on the 27 in this data. What I’m saying is please take the following with a grain of salt.

    There were 22,864 shooters who registered handicap targets in the 2008 target year. Total handicap targets registered were 27,130,250 according to the Excel sheet, again less than the 27,558,950 that the book claims. Again I have no explanation for this discrepancy, and all the following information is based on the electronic data.

    The number of targets registered ranges from a high of 14,650 (Alvin Connerly, ID) to a low of 50 by seventy-five different people.

    There were 21 members who registered 10,000 or more handicap targets, 0.1% of the shooters who registered targets, but 0.9% of the handicap targets registered. The median of their handicap averages was 0.8979, while the median of their handicap yardages was 27 yards.

    There were 497 shooters who registered between 5,000 and 9,999 handicap targets, 2.2% of the shooters who registered handicap targets, but 11.6% of the handicap targets registered. The median of their handicap averages was 0.8788. Again the median of their handicap yardages was 27 yards.

    There were 527 shooters who registered between 4,000 and 4,999 handicap targets, 2.3% of the shooters who registered handicap targets, but 8.5% of the handicap targets registered. The median of their handicap averages was 0.8783, while the median of their handicap yardages was 26.0 yards.

    There were 1,071 shooters who registered between 3,000 and 3,999 handicap targets, 4.7% of the shooters who registered handicap targets, but 13.4% of the handicap targets registered. The median of their handicap averages was 0.8774, while the median of their handicap yardages was 25.0 yards.

    There were 2,343 shooters who registered between 2,000 and 2,999 handicap targets, 10.2% of the shooters who registered handicap targets, but 20.7% of the handicap targets registered. The median of their handicap averages was 0.8729, while the median of their handicap yardages was 24.0 yards.

    There were 5,251 shooters who registered between 1,000 and 1,999 handicap targets, 23.0% of the shooters who registered handicap targets, but 27.0% of the handicap targets registered. The median of their handicap averages was 0.8675, while the median of their handicap yardages was 23.0 yards.

    There were 13,154 shooters who registered fewer than 1,000 handicap targets, 57.5% of the shooters who registered handicap targets, but 18.0% of the handicap targets registered. The median of their handicap averages was 0.8433, while the median of their handicap yardages was 20.5 yards.

    The average number of targets registered by an ATA handicap shooter who shot handicap was 1186.6. The median number registered (half shot more, half shot fewer) was 700. The mode (most common number registered) was 100.

    The median of the ATA handicap averages (half lower, half higher) was .8595.

    The correlation coefficient between targets attempted and handicap average was about 0.26, a little weaker than the correlation for singles targets. Again there is a positive relationship between the two (i.e. the more you shoot, the better you do), but not a strong relationship.

    There were 2698 shooters showing up on the 27, 11.8% of the total. Their median number of targets was 1800, and their median handicap average was .8900.

    There were 1555 shooters showing up on the 26 or 26.5, 6.8% of the total. Their median number of targets was 1350, and their median handicap average was .8694.

    There were 1880 shooters showing up on the 25 or 25.5, 8.2% of the total. Their median number of targets was 1200, and their median handicap average was .8648.

    There were 1762 shooters showing up on the 24 or 24.5, 7.7% of the total. Their median number of targets was 1100, and their median handicap average was .8665.

    There were 1804 shooters showing up on the 23 or 23.5, 7.9% of the total. Their median number of targets was 1000, and their median handicap average was .8664.

    There were 2013 shooters showing up on the 22 or 22.5, 8.8% of the total. Their median number of targets was 800, and their median handicap average was .8700.

    There were 2213 shooters showing up on the 21 or 21.5, 9.7% of the total. Their median number of targets was 1200, and their median handicap average was .8700.

    There were 6965 shooters showing up on the 20 or 20.5, 30.5% of the total. Their median number of targets was 300, and their median handicap average was .8350.

    There were 1940 shooters showing up on the 19 or 19.5, 8.5% of the total. Their median number of targets was 500, and their median handicap average was .8023.

    There were 34 shooters showing up on the 18 or 18.5, 0.1% of the total. Their median number of targets was 1850, and their median handicap average was .8313.

    More to come.
     
  17. Barry C. Roach

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    been shooting 39 years, furthest back i ever was 25 1/2 yds. in a span of a few years i now ended up on the 20 yard line. i can not get off it now. when i reached the 20 yd line, a few friends threw a party for me. one of them said, he wished he were on 20 yds. i said no you wouldn't. like tom hanks said in forest gump" you never know what you are going to get" on 20 yds. one bad thing is when all your friends still shoot long yardage.
    steve balistreri
     
  19. shannon391

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  20. shot410ga

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    Well! I just got my latest reduction today, to the 25. Maybe I'll spend the rest of my life there instead of the 26 or the 27 which I spen 20+ years on. Old age is a bitch..........
     
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