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How clever are the Brits?

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by Shooting Sailor, Jul 4, 2013.

  1. Shooting Sailor

    Shooting Sailor Well-Known Member

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    A big earthquake registering 8.1 on the Richter scale hit the Mid-East. Over 2,000,000 Muslims died, and over a million were injured.

    Iraq and Iran are totally devastated, and those governments just don't know where to begin the rescue and rebuilding efforts.

    The rest of the world is in shock.

    The USA is sending troops to help.
    Saudi Arabia is sending oil.
    Latin American countries are sending first aid supplies.
    New Zealand and Australia are sending sheep, cattle, and food crops.
    Asian countries are sending laborers to assist in rebuilding the infrastructure.
    Canada is sending medical teams and supplies.

    Great Britain, not to be outdone, is sending 2,ooo,ooo replacement Muslims.

    Damn, those Brits are SMART!!
     
  2. Shooting Jack

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    LOL and unfortunately they have more to spare. Jackie B.
     
  3. Rebel Sympathy

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    ........apparently not clever enough to avoid becoming a bankrupt socialist nation which is overrun with Muslims.
     
  4. Two Dogs

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    Don't worry Rebel...The US is next...
     
  5. Brian in Oregon

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    Britain is a has-been, socialist Orwellian nanny state full of scared bleating sheep.
     
  6. stokinpls

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    Them Brits have always been a crafty sort.
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    Bob Falfa
     
  7. Rebel Sympathy

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    Oh, I know you are right, Two Dogs. Ray Charles could have seen what's coming. And it all launched during the "reign" of the Baby-Boomer generation.

    It's something to think about the next time somebody tells you Woodstock was "really cool"......

    Mike
     
  8. Maurice

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    Brian in Oregon, That nation of scared bleating sheep held off Germany, won the Battle of Britain and had Rommel on the run in North Africa while America was too scared to get involved until the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.I would love to meet you face to face, I think you are just a big chicken hiding behind your log on name. Maurice ( The Brit. )
     
  9. birdogs

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    Maurice,

    That was a very different America.....and a very different Great Britain! We are now much more tolerant and understanding and willing to "see the other side". They will put that on our tombstones in just a few short years.
     
  10. pendennis

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    Maurice, the truth about WWII, and the participation of the U.S., is a complicated piece of history, full of intrigue, total naivety on the part of England, France, and the United States.

    It was a war that was completely avoidable by the western powers.

    For starters, the British had one combat-ready division to deploy when they declared war on Germany. France was in no position to fight a modern war, since they had wasted huge sums of money on the Maginot line. And, the United States had a standing army that was sixteenth in size in the world. The British General Staff was totally against getting involved in a war, since they knew what the capabilities of their military and naval forces were.

    The propaganda that passes for history of the era, is nearly as unbelievable as the lies told by the New York Times about Stalin's USSR.

    Winston Churchill was a political opportunist who changed from Labour, to Tory, and back again, depending on his near-term goals. He was the brains behind the disastrous Dardanelles campaign in the Great War. He was also one of those who couldn't wait to get Great Britain involved in a European war in which the British had no possible winning position. The Serbian and Austro-Hungarian conflct was a side show in which saber rattling and stupidity managed to get the flower of European, Russian, and British youth needlessly slain.

    Germany was never in a position to conquer anyone west of the Rhine, or east of Poland. They had no navy or large maritime fleet to protect or supply any attempted conquests, and the Luftwaffe didn't have a single long-range bomber. So much for world conquest.

    The smart money at the time, called for Germany and Russia to beat each other to death. They were both socialist countries, and there was no gain to be realized for western countries. The Baltic countries were in no better shape, and there was no way to defend them either.

    Poland was a lost cause from the outset. The British and French knew they had no way to come to the aid of Poland, if she were invaded. So why sign a mutual aid treaty? What would the Poles have done? They still boasted of large numbers of horse-mounted cavalry. They couldn't provide any aid to Britain or France.

    So let's not get carried away with waving the Union Jack. Great Britain would have starved to death had it not been for the U.S., and direct shipping of food and war materiel.

    Dennis
     
  11. darr

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    Britain held off Germany and ran Rommel out of Africa. What a riot. Without the USA in WWI and WWII Britain is a German satellite. The next thing you'll be telling us is Britain let the USA win the revolution.


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  12. Two Dogs

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    Oh how easy Americans are lead down the garden path...
     
  13. Maurice

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    Two Dogs, you are so right, Americans believe everything that Hollywood movies tell them. Dennis, yes Britain was in dire straights and without the material that Canada and the US shipped to them they would have been in greater difficulty.
    Darr, you really are clueless, when the Americans came into WWI in the last couple of months it was all over but the shouting, Germany's defeat was already underway, you did not win WWI.Yes Britain did hold off Germany, the Battle of Britain was won and forced Hitler to abandon the invasion of Britain due his inability to have air superiority without which the invasion would have failed.Darr, Rommel and his Africa Corp were in full retreat when you American's landed in North Africa and your first contact with the Africa Corp you got you ass kicked at the Kasserine Pass, by that time the Africa Corp were in full retreat short of materials and fuel. Just remember that on D Day you Americans only made up 40% of the landing force, the Brits made up 40%, the Canadians 10% and the other 10% were French,Polish and other commonwealth nations. Maurice ( The Brit. )
     
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    Good point Rick. Or maybe just left them to their own devices. Or their own demises.


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  15. darr

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    Maurice you can read all the British history you want. In both WWI and WWII victory eluded the British until the Yanks came to win it.


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  16. Maurice

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    Darr, there yo go again, "the Yanks came in to win it" You did not "win it" but you certainly helped to win it. Rick, America certainly went through some very difficult times in the 1930's but so did Britain and most of Europe, the depression effected most nations. Chamberlain the British PM was as weak as dishwater and the original " peace nick" If he had remained firm with Hitler and spooled up the rearming of the British military. I do not think WWII would have started. I know that America sat on it's hands for two years whilst Britain fought for survival but that was your prerogative, during that time Britain was extremely thankful for all the war material and food that was supplied by the US and Canada and are to this day very grateful. I think America made a mistake because if Hitler had conquered Russia and Britain and the whole of Europe America would have been next on his list.Rick, the entire world does not hate America, You have a lot of friends in the world but you are finding out that to be the most powerful nation on earth attracts a lot of haters, the British found that out when they were the most powerful nation.Instead of some of you American's slagging off the best friends you have like the British and Canadians maybe it will work in your favor to treat you friends with a little respect. Maurice ( The Brit. )
     
  17. Kim Z.

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    Well said, Maurice.

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  18. Maurice

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    Rick, I did not call you cowards, show me where I called you cowards? Anyone one who has been in combat will tell you that they were scared, but any warrior will do his duty despite being scared. I have great respect for America, but I do respond when a%^holes like Brian in Oregon calls Britain " a socialist Orwellian nanny state full of scared bleating sheep. So I agree with you "it is a two way street" Maybe you American's can digest and remember that.Respectfully Maurice ( The Brit. )
     
  19. pendennis

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    Maurice, until the American Expeditionary Force entered the Great War, things were pretty much at a stalemate. Czarist Russia was out of the conflict for all practical purposes, and Germany was able to turn those forces westward against the allies. However, Germany was unable to maintain sufficient pressure on the allies.

    The insistence of General Pershing kept the AEF from being turned into British and French cannon fodder, and it established itself as an effective fighting force.

    The peace was equally butchered by the victorious British and French at Versailles. Germany was not the ignition point for the war. However, the punishment meted out from the peace, led directly to World War II.

    You completely miss the point about WWII and the intent of Germany. Germany was in no position to conquer anyone outside of its region. Hitler badly underestimated the requirements to defeat the USSR. As with Napoleon, the German Wehrmacht had no concept of the amount of territory it was occupying.

    Instead of bringing the satellite states into the National Socialist fold, Hitler maintained a campaign of terror among civilians, and caused a scorched earth policy to be created by the USSR. Instead of building a solid supply chain, he believed in the Blitzkrieg, which worked in densely populated central Europe, but was completely inadequate for the long road to Moscow.

    The primary reason Germany lost in Africa, was not so much the brilliance and eclat of Sir Bernard Law Montgomery, but the failure to maintain a logistical superiority. Hitler was in a three-front war (Russia, western Europe, and Africa), and completely over his head as a strategic planner.

    I agree that Chamberlain was not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he had no choice but to sign a non-aggression treaty with Germany. What would he do? He had no combat ready army, and he had Churchill breathing down his neck, demanding action. And Baldwin wasn't any better. His belief that "para bellum" led to war, proved to be Great Britain's greatest problem before 1939.

    Best, Dennis
     
  20. bigdogtx

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    Rick, don't forget that they are "handling" their mooselimb problem with utmost efficiency........