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Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by Old Cowboy, Feb 14, 2008.

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  1. Old Cowboy

    Old Cowboy Active Member

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    I'm too lazy to go look at the loading manual but FWIW; it'd prob'ly work OK for 12 guage heavy field loads?

    John C. Saubak
     
  2. Pull & Mark

    Pull & Mark Well-Known Member

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    sportshot, Universal Clays in not only a 20 ga. powder, it is also a 28 ga. powder. It will make for poor 12 ga. loads (not meant for 12 ga.). If you use it be very carefull to follow any recipe you may find. It will more than likely have very high chamber pressures as well. If I had it, I would find a member out at my club and see If I could trade it for a 12 ga. powder of any type. Good Luck. Break-em all.Jeff
     
  3. Shooting Coach

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    You can start at 1200 fps 1 1/8 oz loads. Go to Hodgdon's site and wade through it long enough and you will find what you want.
     
  4. Shooting Coach

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    You are pulling our leg, right? RIGHT?

    I hope you have weighed these charges after talking to an expert at Hodgdon.

    You could have up to 26 gr of powder. Even if the load is safe, you have no economy in this load. You might have an extreme pressure load. You might have loaded shells which will bloop.

    You aren't shooting in Tennessee, are you?
     
  5. Pull & Mark

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    sportshot, You and the coach made me look. I could not find a one ounce load for a HS hull(in that powder). The site would pull up that hull. It will in a 1 1/8 oz. load. It might for a STS hull, did not look. Yes, it was showing alot of powder in a l and l/8 oz load (21.5 plus grs.).Pressures not bad as well. Look under Hodgdon.com, all the listing are there. Good Luck, Break-em all. Jeff
     
  6. maclellan1911

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    Shell: 2 3/4" REMINGTON STS, OR NITRO 27, OR GUN CLUB PLASTIC SHELLS

    Load Type Gauge SW Order Shot Wt. Powder Primer Wad Powder Wt. (Gr.) Pressure Vessel. (ft/s)

    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209 Windjammer 23.2 8,400 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209 Windjammer 24.4 9,100 PSI 1255
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209 Windjammer 25.7 10,200 PSI 1310
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209M Hor. Versalite 21.1 9,600 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209M Hor. Versalite 22.5 10,600 PSI 1255
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209M Hor. Versalite 24.3 11,400 PSI 1310
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Fed. 209A Fed. 12S3 21.7 10,200 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Fed. 209A Fed. 12S3 22.7 11,000 PSI 1255
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Fio. 616 Fio. TL1 22.5 9,400 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Fio. 616 Fio. TL1 23.5 10,600 PSI 1255
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Win. 209 Rem. Fig. 8 22.5 8,900 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Win. 209 Rem. Fig. 8 23.7 9,900 PSI 1255
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Win. 209 Rem. Fig. 8 25 10,800 PSI 1310
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Win. 209 WAA12 21.5 9,800 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Win. 209 WAA12 23 10,700 PSI 1255


    At the amount of powder you need for these loads it does not seem to be worth it. I found no 12g 1oz data. I would use this for 20 or 28g or sell it and buy clays. You will use considerably less for the same FPS
     
  7. maclellan1911

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    35bushing chart says 27.4 grains, The only thing waste full is your risking the safty of others around you and at least your gun. glad you dont shoot next to me.
     
  8. ivanhoe

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    What is interesting is on Hodgdon website they do not list a powder named Universal Clays they do list a powder named Universal I don't know if this is the same powder or not.

    Shell: 2 3/4" WINCHESTER COMPRESSION - FORMED AA TYPE PLASTIC SHELLS

    Load Type Gauge SW Order Shot Wt. Powder Primer Wad Powder Wt. (Gr.) Pressure Vel. (ft/s)

    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209 Windjammer 23.3 8,000 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209 Windjammer 24.3 9,300 PSI 1255
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209M Hor. Versalite 22 9,900 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209M Hor. Versalite 23 10,700 PSI 1255
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209SC Hor. Versalite 22.3 8,800 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209SC Hor. Versalite 23.5 9,400 PSI 1255
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209SC Windjammer 22.4 8,200 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209SC Windjammer 24 9,000 PSI 1255
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal CCI 209SC Windjammer 24.4 9,800 PSI 1310
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Fed. 209A WAA12 21.5 9,600 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Fed. 209A WAA12 22.8 10,700 PSI 1255
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Fed. 209A WAA12 23.6 11,300 PSI 1310
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Fio. 616 Fio. TL1 22.5 9,900 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Fio. 616 Fio. TL1 23.3 10,900 PSI 1255
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Win. 209 Rem. Fig. 8 22.5 9,000 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Win. 209 Rem. Fig. 8 23.5 10,000 PSI 1255
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Win. 209 Rem. Fig. 8 24.5 10,700 PSI 1310
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Win. 209 WAA12 22 10,000 PSI 1200
    Lead Shot 12 1.125 1 1/8 oz. Universal Win. 209 WAA12 22.7 10,600 PSI 1255

    This is the only AA case that is listed.

    Bob Lawless
     
  9. zzt

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    It would be useful if you guys would parse the information into a readable form instead of just copying it into the window and clicking submit.

    So Ivanhoe and mac, you wasted your time as far as I'm concerned. If you don't make it easy to read, I won't.
     
  10. maclellan1911

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    Im sorrt ZZT I did not know it would come out that way? That is not how it looked before copy and paste?? I really do not know what to do about that?
     
  11. ivanhoe

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    zzt Mac is correct that is not how it looked before or after I copied and pasted. I however am not sorry. I posted the link to Hodgdon Site if you can't look it up I feel for you.

    BTW I don't remember you being the person that asked. I do remember John asking I didn't here him complaining. By the same token if John is not happy with what I posted he can say so and I won't bother again.

    Bob Lawless
     
  12. Lither

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    Look at the lable on a jug. There are good 1 oz recipes right on the lable. shot it for years, no problems. a good clean powder.
     
  13. Bob A

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    John,

    About two years ago, the guy at our club placing the orders got me an 8 pound jug of Universal instead of the International I've been using for years. We've never been sure if it was an error by me, him or the vendor filling the order. To avoid any of the hassle in exchanging the powder, I figured I'd try it and see how it worked for me. I load 1 1/8 oz in STS hulls with Rem figure 8's and Rem 209P primers. Had a hell of a time finding a load but got some help from Hodgdon. I don't remember the recipe but I loaded a hundred shells with the universal and hated it. Significantly different burn than International, threw my timing off, kicked sharp and hard, and was the dirtiest powder I've ever seen. I called Hodgdon and spoke to another tech rep who told me the formula I was using was correct and that he wasn't surprised it was dirty since it really isn't specifically designed for 12 guage loads. He also said, "I bet you feel a lot more recoil than you do with International." He said it works great for 28 guage, good for 20 but poor for 12 guage.

    One of the skeet shooters at our club does a lot of 28 ga reloading and offered to buy it from me. He's happy he got it and I was happy I got rid of it.

    My suggestion is, is you can make a trade or sell it, do so and save yourself a lot of grief.
     
  14. mx2005

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    mx2005: I use Remington hulls StS, Nitro, Blue peters, and I have been loading with Universal clays 23.8grs with Rem Fig 8 wad , 1.125oz, Win 209 and I use this for everything and anything it works great from 16-27yds and smokes the target I get no dusted birds it smokes or its me a miss.Also low pressure as you can see from the other posts, slow burning powder burns over the length of the barrel for a longer period resulting in less recoil.
     
  15. Old Cowboy

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    So------what happened to the original post (hit & run)?? I didn't start this thread.

    John C. Saubak
     
  16. ivanhoe

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    Old Cowboy I apologize I just looked quick when I responded to the post by zzt it was Sportshot that started the thread and again I am sorry I didn't mean to drag you into the middle.

    Bob Lawless
     
  17. Quack Shot

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    Sportshot,

    It does real well in many 1 1/8 and even 1 1/4 oz field loads in 12ga. It alao works well in some 20ga loads. It's not really a 12ga target load powder, unless you plan on using 1250fps loads on a regular basis. It is very similar in application to Unique. I use it for the back fence loads at 1250fps and it works great. Hodgdon has all of the loading info you would need to get started, right on their website. Use the scroll boxes to input your info and you'll have lot's of loads available. http://www.hodgdon.com
     
  18. Tripod

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    My buddy gave me 1 pound of universal clays along with many other things. I think his late father probably used it in 28 gauge as thats what he hunted with. I researched a 12 gauge 1 1/8 ounce load, used it all up and it was wonderful to shoot and worked really well. I think it took quite a bit so it probably was not the most economical, but it worked very well thank you.
     
  19. tcr1146

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    Some of you idiots amaze me! There are many loads for the Universal using 1 1/8 oz of shot at 1200 fps in the 9000-10000 psi range! Where do you come off with your bullshit! I have used tons of pb and 7625 which require 21-23.5 grains so how do you explain it is unsafe etc!? I think the idiots above know who I am talking about! Tom Rhoads
     
  20. ivanhoe

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    Sportshot you posted a question and got answers and some light criticism. I have read this entire thread and I can't find where "I asked a question and 4 of you crawled up my leg and attacked my manhood, questioned my sanity and qualifications to even own a BB gun much less reoad a shotgun." if you can't take the responses why ask the questions.

    As far as the "what's all this apologizing and whining." I wrongly said that Old Cowboy started the thread. He didn't you did and then you pull you post and I made a mistake when I said that John was the original poster. What is the big deal if I wish to apologies I will.

    I responded to your question in a positive manner and what I entered looked fine until I hit the submit button. Then I was taken to task for trying to help and in appreciation you deleted your question. That what we get lately threads that are a day old or less with no original post and for trying to help we get criticized. Well I for one won't bother to help anymore.

    When you take the time to respond to a thread by looking up the information and posting it no one ever comes in and says thank you anyway. Even if it is not what you are looking for someone took the time to try to help. Time I might add that they didn't have to take.

    I thank you for not being like everyone else on the thank yous. At least I think you are thanking those that tried to help. "The rest of the info, sans criticism, was VERY much appreciated"

    Bob Lawless
     
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