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HOA vs HAA ?

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  1. Hammer1

    Hammer1 Active Member

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    In reading tournament reports I see winners of HOA and HAA.

    What is the difference or distinction between High Over All and High All Around ?


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  2. V10

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    High Overall will include the majority of the targets thrown during a tournament (usually about 1,000, for those tournaments that have HOA.)

    High All Around is for the Championship events (400 targets: 200 Singles, 100 Doubles, 100 Handicap.)
     
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    Usually at big shoots, what I have seen is HAA is the person who scored the best cumulative score for the "big 3 events," that is, Event Singles championship (usually 200 targets) Event Doubles championship, and the Event Handicap championship.

    Its usually delineated by your singles classification, that is, there will be an Event HAA champ, and Event HAA runner-up, Class AA HAA champ, Class A HAA champ, etc.

    A perfect HAA score is usually 400.

    HOA is often a the cumulative score of a larger number of events, usually 8 or 10 events comprising of preliminary events and championship events. That's why you'll see HOA totals in the thousands.

    In order to score well in HOA, you have to enter all of the preliminary events.

    Others may have more to add.
     
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    The ATA defines H-A-A as the 400 (precisely 400) CHAMPIONSHIP DBL / SGL / HCP TARGETS of an event

    ANY OTHER EVENTS (or target counts) COMBINED together shall be designated as an H-O-A (with the included events and target counts spelled out)

    There can be any number of H-O-A's in a program defined, but H-A-A is the 400 CHAMPIONSHIP TARGETS or else there is no H-A-A ........
     
  5. BDodd

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    My experience in the far west is that HOA (High Over All) rates shooters combining all their scores in singles, handicap, and doubles that are part of the official shoot. You aren't even entered if you skip a or some events and it never includes "warmup" events before the registered shoot. HAA, (High All Around) as said often above, is your scores for the featured, individual events, singles, handicap, and doubles, determining champions. We often see both offered in programs in fairly ordinary weekend shoots; 500 or 600 total birds.
     
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    As was posted before some confusion was added - HAA is the trophy on the combined score of the shoot's Championship events. It does not have to be 400 targets, and the ATA does not define it that way for all shoots. At some larger shoots with ATA trophies, the championships are requred to be 200,100 and 100, that's where the 400 comes from. Many shoots only have 300 total in the championships, so the HAA would be on those 300. Sometimes management has to shorten an event due to turnout, weather etc., in which case the HAA is still based on the championship event targets set by management.

    HOA is the total of the championship events plus whatever other events management wishes to include. You have to read the program to know for sure.
     
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