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History Repeating Itself?

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by pyrdek, Nov 24, 2010.

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  1. pyrdek

    pyrdek Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps the North Koreans are students of history?? Meanwhile, the USA seems to have forgotten all history. Has anyone heard mention on ANY of the media outlets, either mainstream or conservative talk, about the similarities to the Red China shelling of Quemoy and Matsue back in the 1950's???

    Here is a quick little history teaser for you. You can also get more detailed info at the URL listed (and probably a number of other sites also).

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    In the Spring of 1955 President Eisenhower sent a mission to persuade Chiang Kai-shek to withdraw from Quemoy and Matsu because they were exposed. The President was unsuccessful; Chiang Kai-shek would not withdraw.

    Subsequently Eisenhower provided the Nationalists with air-to-air missiles that enabled them to sweep Mao's MIGs from the skies over the Taiwan Straits, and sent to Quemoy and Matsu 8-inch howitzers capable of firing nuclear shells. The military situation in the strait began to look more favorable for the Republic of China (ROC) in 1956 and 1957, a result of these improvements in the Nationalist forces due to US military assistance, and of the 1957 agreement between the United States and the Republic of China that placed Matador missiles on Taiwan.

    These surface-to-surface weapons were capable of carrying conventional or nuclear warheads up to 600 miles. Such developments, when combined with the US reduction of its representation to the US-PRC Geneva talks from ambassador to charge d'affaires in early 1958, may well have led the Chinese to believe that the situation in the strait was menacing......

    From 23 August through October of 1958, the Communist government resumed a massive artillery bombardment of Quemoy and Matsu, and threatened invasion. Chinese patrol boats blockaded Quemoy and Matsu against Chinese Nationalist resupply efforts This was accompanied by an aggressive propaganda assault on the United States, threats against American naval ships, and a declaration of intent to "liberate" Taiwan. Quemoy, which lies about 10 kilometres from the mainland, had been used by the Nationalists to mount raids on mainland China.

    It is clear from recently published Chinese documents that Mao launched the attack on purpose to show his independence of the USSR. Khrushchev's visit to Beijing between 31 July and 3 August 1958 is quite interesting when seen in this context, for the shelling of Quemoy began shortly after Khrushchev left Beijing.

    Khrushchev's talks with the Chinese leaders were probably designed to alleviate their concern over the USSR's failure to prevent US and British intervention in the Mideast crisis of that summer. If the Chinese discussed with Khrushchev their concern over developments in the strait and their objectives regarding the offshore islands, it is likely that he recommended caution (although in his memoirs Khrushchev states that he was in favor of liquidating the islands in preparation for an attack on Taiwan itself). Not until Beijing signaled its intention to limit the level of military commitment to the strait did the USSR make an unambiguous statement in support of China.

    In a letter to President Dwight D. Eisenhower, Khrushchev wrote that an American attack on China would be viewed as an attack on the USSR. On 05 October 1958, Khrushchev reiterated this position in an interview with a Tass reporter. It is clear, however, that Khrushchev's "nuclear threat" was to serve as a demonstration of his support for China - not of readiness to fight the United States.

    History continued at: <A Href= "
    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/quemoy_matsu-2.htm">Click Here</A>

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/quemoy_matsu-2.htm
     
  2. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    The North Koreans are like a heavily armed Jesse Jackson... The more noise they can make and the more trouble they can stir up the more concessions and aid they get.
     
  3. crusha

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    Push the damn button...then say sorry, it was a mistake.



    Really...what could the world do?
     
  4. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

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    South Korea has not been that nice to the US. They have 37 percent of the import auto share in the US, and only 2% of their autos are imports at all, from the whole world. The trade imbalance is a problem, and they seem to have no desire to correct it.

    And then they hint around at wanting the US to deploy tactical nukes to Intimidate the North.

    The relationship needs to be examined more closely before we commit to yet more military obligations in the world.

    I would wait for the other shoe to drop.

    HM
     
  5. JACK

    JACK Well-Known Member Supporting Vendor

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    HM. True enough. As a defensive country we can strike hard. As an offensive country we get mired in political correctness of the moment. As a defensive second striker, we annihilate the adversary. As a offensive pretender we tip toe and get our nails clipped. Recent history provides that.
     
  6. Ljutic111

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    Thats all we need is to be another world peace keeping policemen to the rest of the world . I say let them kill themselves or take over the other countries . Keep our servicemen here to protect our own country instead of the wastefull expenses that comes with being everyones guardian . No one appreciates what American lives we lose for them and when all is done , we end up rebuilding their country with our money . Keep their products out of our country then protect and build this nation as it was intended .
     
  7. birdogs

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    Brian has it exactly correct. However, that being said, madmen CAN plunge the rest of the world into a holocaust.
     
  8. Dahaub

    Dahaub Active Member

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    Those north Koreans have been a pain since the Korean War. We as Americans have had a presence there since that time. I remember one time back in 68? they did something almost the same by killing two Americans with hand axes I don't remember what became of it. At the time one of my high school classmates was over there and his parents were very concerned over his safety. The north idiots are just making noise so they can get more aid. Their country cannot grow enough food for itself. Dan
     
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