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Hispanics leaving Arizona.

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Barrelbulge(Fl), Jun 11, 2010.

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  1. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    .Hispanics abandon Arizona, fleeing economy, immigration law

    By Husna Haq Husna Haq – Thu Jun 10, 7:14 pm ET
    Arizona’s hard-hitting immigration law is driving Hispanics out of the state weeks before the controversial law goes into effect.

    Although concrete figures are not available, anecdotal evidence suggests Hispanics, both legal residents and illegal immigrants, are starting to flee.

    Schools in Hispanic neighborhoods are reporting abnormal enrollment drops, and businesses that serve Hispanics also report that business is down, according to a USA Today report published Wednesday.

    The report suggests that the immigration law is compounding demographic trends that have already significantly curtailed illegal immigration during the past two years. The bad economy has been the primary deterrent to many Hispanic immigrants seeking to enter Arizona, says Jeffrey Passel, a demographer at the Pew Hispanic Center in Washington.

    “If you have a bad economy and a hostile environment, then that’s likely to cause people to think twice about coming, and possibly even to leave,” Mr. Passel says.

    Arizona’s new immigration law requires that police conducting routine traffic stops or other checks ask people about their immigration status if there is "reasonable suspicion" that they're in the country illegally.

    The law also makes it a state crime to be in the country illegally or to disrupt traffic when hiring day laborers, regardless of a worker's immigration status. It would also become a crime for illegal immigrants to solicit work.

    Critics contend the law could lead to racial profiling of Hispanics. It could also force an exodus of scared immigrants – legal and illegal. Nearly 100,000 illegal immigrants left Arizona after it passed a 2007 law that penalized businesses that hired them, according to the Department of Homeland Security.

    The importance of the economyYet the economy is a far more powerful factor in immigration, says David Gutierrez, a professor of immigration history, at the University of California San Diego.

    Arizona’s immigrant population, which is more than 90 percent Mexican, has already been leveling off for two years now, due to the recession.

    “The economy is always the primary factor in determining migration flows,” says Professor Gutierrez. “It might appear as if these laws are turning back demographic tide in Arizona, but economic forces are a much more important aspect of that development recently.”

    The Pew Hispanic Center reports a 40 to 45 percent drop in people coming to the US from Mexico, says Passel. That’s supported by data on border apprehensions, which have dropped 25 percent for two years in a row, he adds.

    What’s more, more Hispanics have been leaving Arizona since the recession began.

    A recent Census report suggests roughly 40,000 Hispanics left the state in 2008.

    Leaving Arizona, going where?Where are they going?

    About 450,000 Mexicans return to Mexico from around the world, but “those numbers have been flat as a pancake for three years now,” Passel says.

    It’s more likely, they’re migrating within the US, says Gutierrez.

    “It’s got to be an exceedingly difficult decision [to leave],” he says. “Once they return to Mexico, it’s much harder to come back. It’s much more likely we’re seeing internal migration.”

    Most Hispanics who flee Arizona will join friends, family, or other Hispanic communities in California, Texas, New Mexico, and other states with large Hispanic populations.

    For his part, Gutierrez is skeptical of claims that the law will begin an exodus. “I don’t see a historical trend that has been in place for 100 years will be reversed because you’ve got a few hyper-conservative white legislators trying to turn back the clock, turn back the tides of history.”

    Any loss, however, will be a loss for the Arizona economy, Gutierrez suggests.

    “Latinos...are a highly flexible, highly exploitable work force, a buffer to economic downturns,” he says. “Many of the industries here – agriculture, service industries, low-end manufacturing, construction – are massively dependent on undocumented workers.

    “If I were able to conduct an experiment and pay all of Arizona’s undocumented workers to not work for two weeks, the economy would come to a screeching, crashing halt instantaneously.”
     
  2. highflyer

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    I hope they all go to California and then California becomes a part of Mexico.
     
  3. Catpower

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    Keep them out of Texas we've got too many already
     
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    What other Country in the World would subsidize Illegal immigrants . It`s about time we are doing something about it . Too bad other States will have to absorb them .
     
  5. W.P.T.

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    The good part is the other States do not have to absorb them, all they have to do is get a State Government with a Governor who has more cojones that most other Politicians, Obama included ... This could spread like a wild fire if enough people get on board and support the United States as readily as they will boycott, rally, or protest against a State getting its shit together ...
    WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
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    You should have sent your ticket back and wrote NO HABLE INGLES on it.
     
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    If it is true the illegals are leaving and with the liberal boycott of AZ, it might be time for a return visit to the state.
     
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    They're leaving Wisconsin, too. We just enacted an insurance requirement for all vehicles with a 500 dollar fine for no insurance.

    If you just don't have the card but your insurance is in force it's a 10 dollar fine.

    Both of my daughters got hit by uninsured Mexicans.

    Go away, Vatos.

    HM
     
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    tell them to go were they will be happiest..with there own kind. they should go to cuba , mexico, southamerica or costarica
     
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    But there is nobody to steal from there.

    HM
     
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    "Do You Know The Way to San-Jose"
     
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    Royce10,

    In this day and age (especially here in Arizona) if you don't have underinsured and uninsured coverage on your car insurance policy you are just asking for problems.....Terry
     
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    Have no car insurance,,,,confiscate the car,,,,with this penalty, I be the percentage of drivers with insurance would go up....

    one of the arguments for the ability to force husseincare down our throats was it "is just like forcing you to have car insurance",,,,well if that is the case,,,,WHY DO I NEED UNINSURED MOTORIST COVERAGE????
     
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    but if they really left, who would:

    -- cut lawns.

    -- intall roofs.

    -- do drywall and handyman stuff.

    -- deliver furniture.

    -- clean our offices and work areas at night.

    -- work at chinese, asian, italian, and american restaurants? I have to admit I was surprise to see latinos cooking chinese better than the chinese!

    -- drive taxis (oops those are ragheads, russians and nigerians at least in my neck of the woods).

    -- do daycare.

    -- repair our cars.

    ...and for peanuts? You have to admit, it would cost a whole lot more if white folks did those jobs!
     
  15. southjblue

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    Silver Shooter is right on---I don't like the illegals and wish there was an answer but you won't find Americans to do the jobs they do---when they leave hold on to your wallet---we won't have anymore food in this country just like everything else comes from out of country---We better find a way to solve the problem----Remember the gas shortage back in the 80s---well get used to a food shortage---Thats when we will be on our knees---no gas and no food---gL---sjb--
     
  16. W.P.T.

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    The Illegals do nothing other than decay and drain the Social Systems that have been in place for the Americans who make up the system ... If anyone thinks they benefit America they should leave with them when they round them up and get them the hell out of here ... They live in shanty towns south of the border and make the places where they live here in America just as homie as they were used to before they fled and came here by the dark of night ... Illegal is Illegal, what part of that don't people understand ..? America should put the same laws in place and enforce them as they have in Mexico if we were invading their country like they are invading ours, then they wouldn't even want to come here for fear of getting caught ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
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    "but you won't find Americans to do the jobs they do"

    Well who did those jobs before the Mexican invasion?? I'm here in Indiana and they didn't start arriving in force until just a few years ago. We got drywall hung, houses framed, grass mowed, tables bussed back then. Who was doing it then, before the the Mexicans arrived? To say those jobs won't be done anymore is wrong.

    What happens after the Mexicans become "Americanized"? Then who will do that work. Import more people from where?? The dirty little secret is that the first generation of Mexicans are great workers and people. Their kids?? They won't work, they've gone to American schools where the liberal bs is jammed down their throats. Work - that is for suckers/chumps, they join gangs and have a chip on their shoulder about the USA.

    We don't pick cotton by hand anymore. My point is as long as we have cheap labor there will be no innovation Somebody will invent a tomato picking machine, a lettuce picker, if the need is there. Now we don't need a tomato picking machine - we already got a cheap illegal picker, that is cheaper than any machine.
     
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    Silvershooter... cut off welfare, and when it comes down to work or starve, they will work. So you have to pay someone what they are worth. We can get someone to do your job for less than you make. You say we won't have any food. A head of lettuce is under a dollar, so it goes to $1.50. If you can't afford it, get a better job.
     
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    The agricultural industry in this country will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century and forced to industrialize the way the rest of industry has. Because labor is so cheap they have no need to develop machines able to do what cheap labor does. Why do you think they build cars using robots now? The cost of UAW labor is so high and robots can do it better and cheaper. If you eliminate the cheap agricultural labor, the industry will have to finally modernize. Free market law of supply and demand will fill jobs vacated as long as it is more beneficial for someone out of work to be employed than to be on welfare. Therefore the minimum wage will have to be equal to or greater than combined welfare benefits. You do that mainly slashing welfare benefits or make mandatory work-for-welfare laws. Make everyone, regardless of income, pay taxes. People have no appreciation of what government costs unless they are paying the bills. The fact that 40% of U.S.residents pay no taxes is a disgrace.
     
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