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Heres what REALLY happening in Wisconsin

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Deeg, Feb 23, 2011.

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  1. Deeg

    Deeg TS Member

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    Just thought I would post this to let everyone know just WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON IN WISCONSIN !!! This link will take you right to the heart of these bastards. The second conversation is the most revealing.

    copy and paste:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/23/scott-walker-buffalo-beast-phone-prank_n_827058.html
     
  2. sernv99

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    Walker's staff needs to do a better job of vetting phone callers. He is lucky he got off the hook on this prank call, he didn't say anything outrageous. The Deputy Attorney General from Indiana wasn't so lucky, calling for "live ammo" to be used against the pro-union protestors. Geez, I guess we can expect more Tuscon style shootings...
     
  3. Shooting Jack

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    This should make it easier to go to website. Jackie B.
     
  4. porky

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    The information web that you are referencing is AOL's new on-line information service. It is known to be a extreme liberal, as far left as you can go reporting service. I don't know how much you can believe from it.
     
  5. g7777777

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    Walker is not off the hook- sounded like he was accepting a bribe. Pretty fine line.

    Unions might be a thing of the past in the public sector but guys like Walker need to watch out and pay attention to what the law allows and what public opinion will accept.

    If not there could be a union resurgence and politicians in jail.

    Regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
  6. likes-to-shoot

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  7. Recoil Sissy

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    Thanks for sharing. Golly, that was really damning. Twenty minutes of Gov. Walker reiterating what he's repeatedly said in public, 'when you're doing the right thing for the right reasons, you don't back off.


    If you didn’t know, politics is a contact sport. For example, Andy Stern, former president of the Service Employees International Union, visited the White House (WH) 22 times between inauguration day (Jan. 20, 2009) and July of 2009. That’s once every eight days.



    Stern has visited the WH a total of 58 times thru Jan. 28, 2011. That makes him THE single most frequent WH visitor. Is it significant? Decide for yourself.


    SEIU is a BIG time supporter of Obummer. According to a Federal Election Commission (FEC) filing the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) political action committee spent more than $27 million in support of Obummer’s presidential campaign.



    Of course, that DOESN’T include countless additional millions contributed to other rank and file lib dem candidates. Nor does it include the donations and voter registration efforts of SEIU’s sister organization Acorn.


    What do you suppose Stern and Obumble talked about during all those visits?


    However, we wouldn’t want to forget Richard Trumka. Trumka is President of the AFL-CIO. Trumka visited the WH 46 times between Obummer’s inauguration and Jan. 28, 2011.

    Interestingly, Trumka was videotaped on Feb. 28th claiming to visit the WH “two or three times a week” and speaking to the WH “daily”.


    Trumka’s a big fan of the Wisc. Teachers and between visits to the WH has visited the brothers and sisters in Madison. So… what do you suppose Obummer and Trumka chat about? Maybe it has something to do with members of public employee unions. Here's a list of them that are affiliated with the AFL-CIO.


    • Amalgamated Transit Union (ATU)

    • American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE)

    • American Federation of School Administrators (AFSA)

    • American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME)

    • American Federation of Teachers (AFT)

    • American Postal Workers Union (APWU)

    • International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF)

    • International Union of Police Associations (IUPA)

    • National Air Traffic Controllers Association (NATCA)

    • National Association of Letter Carriers (NALC)

    • National Postal Mail Handlers Union (NPMHU)

    As an aside, here’s a little tidbit about the voluntary PAC donations make by SEIU members…


    Unless it has changed since October of 2008, the SEIU constitution included an amendment that required each SEIU local to contribute $6 per member to the international's PAC. Locals that didn’t comply were/are charged the difference between what they “owed” and what they raised -- plus, a 50 percent penalty.
    How’s that for “voluntary” donations?

    sissy
     
  8. shelly

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    Not surprisingly Deeq, the originator of this thread, thinks that Somali priates are perpetrating their criminal deeds because we supposedly have dumped some garbage into the ocean- a ridiculous accusation at best.
     
  9. Leo

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    I thought it was a federal offense to record a telephone conversation without informing both people that it was being recorded. It is in fact against the law to defraud a government official. The phone call was fraudulent. Why isn't someone resting the night in the gray bar hotel while they face a court date? If I called and screwed with the local police you can bet I would be promtly escorted to a jail cell.
     
  10. halfmile

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    Ah yes, Huffington. Just sold for a ton of money. That fair and balanced bastion of unbiased reporting.

    Nuff said.

    HM
     
  11. halfmile

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    Wisconsin is a one party state, that is, if you are one side of a conversation you may record it. You may not under any circumstances record a conversation between 2 other parties unless you are law enforcement and have a warrant.

    HM
     
  12. crusha

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    I'm sure during all those trips to the White Hizzy, Obama and the union thugs were talking about keeping spending under control and keeping America solvent.


    Chuckle.


    Look, I get that both sides of this issue are subjected to and affected by political pressure. What we have to decide is, which one of those pressures is acting in a direction that is more beneficial to the citizens: endless budget deficits fueled by runaway government benefits supported by self-perpetuating political machinery...or, restraint, solvency, and spending reductions?
     
  13. Recoil Sissy

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    Here's how they do it in New York City.... Mash the link for details.

    sissy
     
  14. shooter99

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    This is what is happening in Wisconsin. The major issue is said to be “collective bargaining” the under lying issue is:
    Wisconsin would become right to work state. An employee of a public sector group would not have to belong to the union in order to belong to that bargaining group. Union dues would no longer be deducted from the pay check of employees. The employee would have to pay their dues themselves. It is estimated that 40% would not pay dues that have to pay now. If this goes to other states an it appears it will, this means that the Unions would be loosing allot of money in dues and with Unions being the major funding source of the Democratic National Committee, the Democrats would have a lot less money to run a campaign. With the 2012 election just around the corner this is MAJOR problem for them.

    Ken Cerney Wisconsin
     
  15. dalog

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    Amen Ken,

    Cut to the chase and there is the bottom line!

    As they have always said, follow the MONEY!
     
  16. Don Steele

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    Ken hit that one "right-in-the-middle" as we say...!!!

    Governor Walker is attempting to level the playing field for the CITIZENS of Wisconsin and BIG LABOR just can't stand to see their unholy alliance with the Democrat party threatened.
     
  17. Fox32

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    Want the truth?

    www.unionfacts.com
     
  18. likes-to-shoot

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    Yes we do want the truth and here it is.....Do you want to see who runs out of websites first?????
     
  19. pyrdek

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    Unfortunately, you can not count on almost any group that has a dog in this fight to be accurate in reporting the actual facts. Both sides will "Cherry Pick" those facts that support their side and fail to even acknowledge facts in the exact same report that they are quoting that do not support or may even oppose their position.

    In my book omitting pertinent facts, simply because they do not support your position while using facts from the same source is a lie by omission. If it were a trial, failure to disclose ALL the facts known to you, regardless if you are the prosecution or defense, plaintiff or defendant, can be grounds for at least a dismissal of the action and might even result in criminal prosecution. It is too bad that news media and politicians can not be and are not held to the same standards.

    One particularly blatant example occurred in the local paper here over the weekend. They, reprinting an AP article, left out the last half of the AP report. When you read the entire article available from the AP, it becomes evident that the paper, in this case one that has a long anti-labor reputation, choose to NOT publish many of the facts contained in the original AP article. These facts would weaken, but not destroy the position that the paper actually did print. This same type of lying by omission also occurs in the information presented by the opposing camp. By doing so they present a distorted view of the situation.

    In order to get the true overall representation a person has to look at all sources presenting view points from across the spectrum. Those who read or listen to only one side and ignore the other, regardless of which side it is, are doing a disservice not only to themselves but to all the people affected by the issue at hand.

    The particular issue I am referencing involved pay scales. One side presented that all the public employees were paid higher than average wages. The other side presented that the wages were lower. What comes out is that both sides were right BUT ONLY GIVEN A VERY PARTICULAR SET OF CONDITIONS BEING REFERENCED (EVEN IF THOSE CONDITIONS WERE NOT DISCLOSED). Wages and benefits for unskilled employees were generally a bit higher in public sector jobs HOWEVER wages for the more highly skilled jobs involving increased educational requirements and job responsibilities showed a lower wage (and benefits package) for public sector employees. The only place the public sector highly trained employee was ahead was in vacation days. They got, on average 2.5 extra days a year but their salaries ranged from 5 to 15% BELOW similar jobs in Private employment. The other benefits varied widely from non-existent to extremely generous. This was in both the public and private sector. To come up with a more accurate picture, you would have to know the number of employees in each group. Neither side presented those numbers.

    Another "warping" of the facts is the use of the terms "private industry or manufacturing" versus "private employment". The two are often not the same. A high tech firm that deals only in software and applications but NOT in hardware manufacturing is private employment BUT NOT private manufacturing as defined in the terms of the report. Yet these same jobs, especially so in "private employment" often pay considerably better than similar "public employment" doing similar jobs in a non-manufacturing environment.

    There are salary and benefits surveys that are often published in trade magazines for the more specialized fields. These can present a more fair and balanced comparison. Yet, you do not, generally, see these sources quoted since they may have facts that do not support the issue one side or the other or both want to promote.
     
  20. shooter99

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    pyrdek, We ALL have a dog in this fight.
    Are the unions going to go down, will more money come out of your pay check for your benifits, will the Dems have enough money , or will the states go BROKE? Spin it anyway you want,we ALL have a dog in this fight.
     
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