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Here it comes... Obama wants gun control....

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by Brian in Oregon, Mar 13, 2011.

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  1. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/149189-obama-calls-for-agreement-on-gun-control-after-giffords-shooting

    While what's being proposed appears to be the mildest form of gun control, the problem is... what's going to be added to any gun control bill? Does anyone think there won't be mag bans, gun bans or other attempts? Keep in mind that the liberals added a gun ban to the NRA's flagship FOPA'86 bill at the last minute under dubious conditions, and it got through.

    This needs to be watched like a hawk.
     
  2. TOOLMAKER 251

    TOOLMAKER 251 Active Member

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    How else would barry transform America into a socialist/communist government while free people possess guns? This is his biggest obstacle.
     
  3. HSLDS

    HSLDS Well-Known Member

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    I saw this the other day - thought it was an interesting tid-bit...

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    A blogger added up the deer license sales in just a handful of states and arrived at a striking conclusion:  There were over 600,000 hunters this season in the state of Wisconsin.

    Allow me to restate that number - 600,000.

    Over the last several months, Wisconsin's hunters became the eighth largest army in the world. More men under arms than in Iran. More than in France and Germany combined. These men deployed to the woods of a single American state to hunt with firearms, and no one was killed.

    That number pales in comparison to the 750,000 who hunted the woods of Pennsylvania and Michigan's 700,000 hunters, all of whom have now returned home. Toss in a quarter million hunters in West Virginia and it establishes the fact that the hunters of those four states alone would comprise the largest army in the world. 

    The point? America will forever be safe from foreign invasion with that kind of home-grown firepower. 
    Hunting -- it's not just a way to fill the freezer. It's a matter of national security. 
     
  4. capulona

    capulona TS Member

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    HSLDS, You are certainly correct, but in my humble opinion, the most important thing USA needs is to win the war on Technology and Innovation. This can only be achieved by spending on Education for the next generation. We have to do it better than China, India, EU and the rest of the World. Brains will always triumph over Brawn.

    This is the only way to preserve the United States' being #1
     
  5. Setterman

    Setterman Well-Known Member

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    capulona, We spend enough for education. Problem is, we aren't getting what we are paying for.
     
  6. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    hmmmm,,,,how can this be???? biden said hussein wouldn't take his guns,,,,many here, Trappy, et. al. said hussein wasn't anti-gun,,,,this must be made up....Oh, well, I guess that aren't going to let a crisis go to waste.....
     
  7. Frank C

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    From the NH Union Leader...

    CONCORD – New Hampshire may soon be rolling back gun control laws to allow anyone to carry a firearm without a concealed weapons permit.

    The House Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee voted 11-6 Wednesday to recommend HB 330 (click to view status and text) pass the House. In addition to eliminating concealed weapons permits, the bill removes restrictions related to transporting firearms in vehicles.

    While the bill expands the right to carry a firearm, those changes will not trump other laws that ban weapons from public schools, restrict who may possess a weapon, or govern hunting, according to lawmakers.

    Rep. Kenneth Kreis, R-Canterbury, who chaired the sub-committee that worked on the bill, said the law would allow someone to carry a weapon on a snowmobile for example, but that person could still be prosecuted for hunting out of season if he shot a deer.

    “I don’t believe any of us want a 16-year-old carrying a concealed weapon,” he said.

    Several Democrats on the committee were concerned eliminating the concealed weapon permit requirement could allow a person with mental illness to carry a concealed weapon.

    "We're saying anybody over the age of 18 can carry a concealed weapon and go any place they want to go," said Rep. Laura Pantelakos, D-Portsmouth. "We're opening up the flood gates with this bill and heading into very, very dangerous waters."

    The committee also voted 14-3 to hold HB 536 until next year. The bill would make it a natural right to carry a firearm without a permit, openly or concealed.

    The committee did recommend HB 378 be approved by the House. The bill removes the mandatory jail sentence for committing a felony while armed. The mandatory sentence provision is what sent Ward Bird to jail.

    Bird had his sentence commuted in February by the Executive Council. He was convicted of criminal threatening for brandishing a handgun in front of a woman when she came onto his Moultonborough property in 2006.

    Advocates of Bird said he was wrongly convicted, which touched off a statewide debate over gun rights and protecting one's property.

    The committee recommended the House kill HB 576, which several members called the "shoot to kill" bill. The bill was also intended to address Ward Bird's situation, but long-time committee member Rep. David Welch, R-Kingston, said it did more much than that.

    "You could shoot someone for stealing your hubcaps," he said.

    The Castle Doctrine
    The committee also voted to recommend the House approve one of three bills that would expand the "Castle Doctrine," which allows people to defend themselves in their homes, to any public place."

    Under current law, a person should first try to retreat from a threat before using deadly force. All three bills, HB 207, HB 210 and HB 567, would eliminate that requirement.

    The committee recommended HB 210 be approved, while the other two should be killed.

    HB 207 and HB 567 would have given criminal and civil immunity to any person who legally uses deadly force. And HB 567 would created the presumption that when a person uses deadly force to protect themselves, an attacker intended to cause harm.

    Law enforcement opposed all three bills.
     
  8. halfmile

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    The facts are there, even though the pukes still cling to their outmoded stereotypes.

    More Guns, Less Crime. Kennesaw, Ga---local ordinance REQUIRING a firearm in every home. Result: Burglary rate dropped to zero.

    New York City, the Sullivan Law. Toughest restriction in the US. Highest gun crime and murder rate.

    More Guns, Less Crime. the message has to be gotten out. My state is one of the last 2 where there is no CCW available. New Regime should fix that, I hope.

    HM
     
  9. timberfaller

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    Its interesting that Obama uses the word "commonsense" in his attempt to sound all concerned and flowery.

    The last thing that government and politicians understand is commonsense!!!
     
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    "Law enforcement opposed all three bills."

    You have to remember the rank and file don't agree with the union pukes that go before politicians and say what they say!

    The sad part is the rank and file don't have the backbone to vote them (pukes) out of the union leadership positions! Typical union membership!
     
  11. grntitan

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    I think its gonna be similar in nature to the previous ban. More tag along clauses(riders) this time thru. I sure don't want it to, but i believe its gonna happen.

    I would love to see hard numbers that prove the previous bans saved any lives or prevented wackos from do crazy stuff. Have the antis ever provided these numbers or evidence?
     
  12. Brian in Oregon

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    Keep in mind that the "sporting" definitions being used for firearms use means hunting. And when hunting is banned, ergo there will be no need for firearms.

    You can claim trap shooting is a sport. But a bureaucrat at BATF determines what a gun sport is, not you. "Plinking", for example, is not a legitimate gun sport.
     
  13. TOOLMAKER 251

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    Barry is actually working in damage control with his latest remarks about gun control. If you remember just a few weeks ago when CBS (of all stations) reported about the BATFE allowing 1,000's of guns walking into Mexico. The BATFE is stonewalling the investigation which in time will lead right up to holder himself, and the Mexican government is doing it's own investigation on why these guns were smuggled across the border.
     
  14. lctrapshooter

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    *****************************Some sign in names may have been changed to protect the GUILTY! Some pot stirrers may have been banned by the moderators. They aren't too proud of the lying POS they elected, so mum is the word.
     
  15. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    The very same unions putting the pressure on for Obamacare are the same unions who are seeking to be exempted from it. Go figure.
     
  16. BrowningPotato

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    Icetrap shooter

    Show me one, just one post, where I give a liberal or "unlearned" oppinion!

    You sir are uniformed and ignorant!!
     
  17. W.R.Buchanan

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    I am very sick of hearing "commonsense gun laws" Exactly who's commonsense are we talking about? It should be pretty obvious that the people calling for commonsense gun laws, have none, so who's common sense are we talking about anyway?

    Here's a little tidbit of commonsense,, You can't prevent anyone from doing anything. You might slow them down a little, but the determined ones are going to get thru eventually. And the more determined ones are usually alot more proficient at what they want to do, because they have to work harder to do it!

    Now pass a law preventing determination?

    The liberal mind cannot grasp strait line logic, because it can not look far enough ahead to see where the line is going.

    Randy
     
  18. timberfaller

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    Well said Randy!!
     
  19. Leo

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    Texas has the Castle Doctrine. A person who is in your house against your will may be removed in a body bag if they refuse to leave. I don't know what percentage that cuts down crime, but in the three cases not far from where I lived, the bad guys never broke into a single home. Since your private Auto is an extension of your Castle, the courts decided to include thoise rights against car jackers. A Lady in Oak Cliff sent a car jacker to the big used car lot in the sky. He will not bother anyone either. I really miss Texas
     
  20. TOOLMAKER 251

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    We will have the castle doctrine pass by the new governor in Pa. this year. Legislation passed it last year, but, the communist rendell vetoed it. One of the important parts of our castle doctrine, is if you kill the bad guy in self defence you are immune to a civil suit by the bad guys loved ones.
     
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