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HELP tips when (non dominant) eye takes over

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by nik017, Feb 10, 2010.

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  1. nik017

    nik017 TS Member

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    I am a female shooter and have been shooting for about 6 months. When I first started everything was great scores were not too bad. I am right eye dominant and shoot with both eyes open, but my left eye is taking over. When putting the gun on my shoulder I am laying my head over to try to look down the middle with my left eye. At the moment I am closing one eye until I know the gun is where it should be.I would prefer to shoot both eyes open any one know why or how I can fix this problem. Thanks Nicky
     
  2. rick979

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    If you have this problem why are you laying your head over?
     
  3. nik017

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    I think the reason I am laying my head over is so that my left eye can look
    down the centre of the Barrel. Being right eye dominant this seems odd and has only just started to happen with fatigue.
     
  4. jdsfarms

    jdsfarms Well-Known Member

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    Your problems sounds intermittent some eye training execises will probably help,maybe Phil Kiner will will chime in as he is the leading authority,if that doesn't work I would try a barrel blinder before you try any kind of tape or dot on your glasses or closing an eye.Jerry
     
  5. nik017

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    Thanks Mike I am from Australia do you have any idea where I could start my search. Thanks for your help was beggining to think no one was going to uderstand my plea for help. Nicky
     
  6. MTA Tom

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    "For most people, shotgunning is easier and more effective with both eyes open. Binocular vision facilitates the estimation of distance speed and angle, and helps one to get the full benefits of hand-to-eye coordination (if you doubt it, try catching a ball with one eye shut). There are other benefits to binocular vision such as reduced tension and fatigue. However, do not believe those who tell you simplistically that everyone should shoot with both eyes open. It is just not that simple (which condemns more than a few shooting tomes to the pyre): the critical consideration is eye dominance.

    It is a curiosity of the binocular system of human vision (at least in most adult males) that one eye tends to control pointing. If a finger were pointed at a distant object, there would be a straight line relationship from object to finger to eye. The pointing eye, whichever it may be, is called the dominant or master eye. The majority of adult men have eye dominance which matches their handedness and, once this is confirmed, are well advised to shoot with both eyes open. There are other possibilities. Some may be cross-dominant (e.g., right-handed with a left master); a few have central vision (neither eye dominating); and others may be predominantly but not fully dominant in one eye. For those shooting a standard gun who fall into one of these categories, the best advice is usually to shut or squint one eye. In women and children, absolute dominance in the eye overlooking the breech is the exception, and one-eyed shooting is often the simplest remedy too.
    Eye dominance is an intriguing phenomenon in which biological, environmental and experiential factors appear to play a role. Eye dominance in boys typically becomes more absolute with advancing years. In middle-aged men, however, it may become less absolute. It may be affected by training (disciplining oneself to sustain focus on the bird and ignore any “ghost” image), but results are unpredictable. It is (largely) unrelated to visual acuity (one can have poor vision in one eye yet it can still be more dominant as far as the control of pointing is concerned). It can vary in the same individual. It can be disturbed by fatigue, ill-health, staring at computer screens, long-distance driving and low light levels. It is not just a physical phenomenon, but a mental one as well. Having considered some of the scientific literature while researching this book, it appears that gunfitters may have a more profound understanding of eye dominance than anyone else (especially with regard to sex and age differences).

    The diagnosis of eye dominance certainly involves far more than a simple – and potentially inaccurate – observation that an individual is right or left eye dominant (any testing method that only gives “either/or” results is worthless). It is common, for example, to find a male client who has what might be called “pseudo-dominance”, i.e., when tested, one eye appears to be almost – but not quite fully – dominant. Such a condition is easily overlooked by an inexperienced or sloppy instructor (typically being misdiagnosed as full dominance). However, the effects on shooting can be profound. Typically, there will be many inexplicable misses on quartering and crossing targets where the lead does not favor the dominance.

    It is not uncommon, moreover, for shooters to be wrongly advised to switch shoulders having been told they were cross-dominant, when in fact their dominance in the opposite eye was not absolute (much better and simpler advice would have been to stick to the “strong” shoulder and squint an eye). All of which leads me to conclude that the precise diagnosis of a client’s eye dominance is one of the most vital considerations in shooting instruction. One need make no apologies for dealing with it in the most scrupulous manner….
    A right-hander with a left master eye (or a left-hander with a right master eye) has a number of options. One of the easiest, in the former case, is to shoot from the right shoulder but closing or dimming the left eye prior to firing. Rather than keeping the eye shut throughout the pickup, swing and mount, it will be better for most sporting and game shots to dim the eye as the gun comes up to the shoulder. This way one gets some of the benefits of binocular vision and has an increased field of view during the critical pickup phase. It is a definite mistake to dim the eye only at the last moment as this may be visually confusing.

    The offending eye may be covered with a patch (although instructors who inflict this on novices should try it themselves), or if the student wears spectacles, a block to vision may be placed over the appropriate lens. This need not be a full-sized patch but may be a much smaller block, refined so that it is no more than a half inch across. One may use electrician’s tape, a smudge of Vaseline, chapstick, typing correction fluid or a Magic Dot on the lens to achieve this (once the position and size are confirmed, glasses may be permanently and neatly modified by sandblasting in an optical workshop)….
    Kay Ohye, the famous trap shot, developed a “blinder” to be attached to the rib near the muzzles of over-and-unders. It has subsequently been manufactured by several firms. Another clever device consists of a U-shaped channel with a fluorescent sight at one end. This may be attached to the barrel and when in place, the brightly-coloured insert can only be seen by the eye looking along the rib. A similar effect may be achieved by using the thumb on the forend to block the vision of the eye not looking down the rib (as practiced by both Churchill and Barry Simpson)….

    A traditional remedy for those whose master eye and handedness do not correspond, is to learn to shoot from the left (or weak) shoulder with or without a suitably adapted (cast-off changed to cast-on triggers reshaped) gun. I do not usually favour this course (though it is sometimes appropriate). The advantage of binocular vision may be outweighed by the awkwardness of the manoeuvre. It is my experience that few of those who are forced to take this route develop into really first class shots (although many one-eyed shots, beating the odds, do)….

    Finally beware: not everyone who shoots as their eye dominance – as tested – might suggest. Some may be able to shoot well with both eyes open, even though initial testing without a gun indicates a dominance problem. Some will have inconsistent eye dominance (my own normally right-eyed dominance fades and can even switch when I get tired). Some will have a master eye significantly weaker than the other as far as visual acuity is concerned. Inability to focus can undermine eye dominance. (Sometimes those with contact lenses who have a slight eye dominance problem, may be advised to shoot with the left lens removed.) Some people’s eye dominance is affected by the choice of gun. Short guns and side-by-sides tend to cause more problems than the more pointable over-and-unders. Changing to longer barrels can help someone with a mild eye-dominance problem…."

    The Shotgun, a Shooting Instructor’s Handbook, Michael Yardley, copyright 2001, Safari Press
     
  7. nik017

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    Thanks Jerry eye exercises sound great anything is definatly better than closing one eye. That seems near impossible to do. Great info appreciate your response. Nicky
     
  8. jdsfarms

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    The barrel blinder(mike is talking about the same thing)you can get online from meadow industries.Jerry
     
  9. nik017

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    Thanks Jerry I will jump on the website. My husband has been telling me that maybe I need to leave this shooting thing to the big boys HA HA HA with all this info I might not have to. I think he is thinking he might save some money.Nevermind. Thanks again Nicky
     
  10. Pull & Mark

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    Nicky, You have the same problem I used to have. I am a left handed person and started shooting left handed. All was fine for awhile, then I started comeing home with a bad bruise on my left cheek. After my father and some other shooters got involved and watched what I was doing to see why I was getting so beat up thay noticed I was leaning over with my head so that I could see with my right eye. I was about 12 years old at the time and did not even know I was doing it (new shooter also). They all came to the same conclusion, I was right eye dominent. (had to switch, I shoot right handed now) I suspect you think you are right eye dominent, but are in fact are left eyed. I read somewhere it is very common for women to be left eye dominant and men to be right eyed. Simple test to give yourself to check yourself again. Cut a small 1/2 inch square hole in a 20 inch piece of cardboard and look through the small hole with both eyes open, move cardboard around until you focus on just one item, cover your left eye with your left hand and see if the item your focused on is gone. Then try with your right eye. The item will not move when you cover your week eye, but will move when you cover your dominant eye. Try this 3 times a day, morning, noon, and night for 2-3 days and see if stays the same or changes. It might change latter in day as you tire. Let me know how you do!!! As stated above Phil is a better eye man. This is only one way to find dominent eye. Have any questions about this just ask. Good Luck and Break-em all. Jeff
     
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    It is quite possible that your eye dominance changes from day to day. This condition seems to aflick female shooters. If that is the case the only solution might be to shoot with one eye. You will have to experiment to see which method of blocking the vision of your left eye works best for you. HMB
     
  12. k3uro

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    Hi,

    I tried all the above but found that by mounting the gun doing a practice swing and than closing my left eye to see the sight picture with the right eye.

    By doing this over and over I became a fair shooter. I still will get tired and bang I just shot behind that number 7 incomer.

    Take care and good luck,

    Jim
     
  13. Hill topper

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    I have read that it is common for women to not have a dominant eye,

    The fix is to wear a dot on the off eye .
    Try it and see if it works for you.
    Chances are it will.

    ed.
     
  14. huntinmama

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    Nicky i am so glad you posted this. I have some of the same trouble. I am either handed, but write right handed. My parents didn't know how to teach me anything lefty, so i am mixed up sometimes. After about 50 rounds i get tired and i have issues. I have shot rifle all my life, but just picked up trap/dove hunting in the last 5 yrs with my kids. I have found that i do have to start closing an eye, but sometimes that still doesn't help. i can shoot a 19 or 21 round then nose dive to 11 or 13. All the tips you received hopefully will help me. I live in the boonies, so clinics & help is not to be found. Thank you all for posting this great info, hopefully it can help me too. I think i might try some tape and see if this helps, i too like shooting with both eyes open. thanks to all

    God bless the USA
     
  15. jdsfarms

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    My daughter who is a good trapshooter also writes lefthanded but shoots,bats throws right handed and shoots one-eyed(closes the left eye)once you start doing that it is really hard to change to shoot with both eyes open so make that your last resort.I used to shoot with one eye closed and made the change to shoot with both eyes open but even with a dot on my glasses and a barrel blinder had to suffer through a long string of poor scores before I could shoot consistently good scores,but now maintain a higher average than before especially in doubles.Jerry
     
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    My sister in law has the same issue. She is right handed but left eye dominant. She learned to shoot left handed to overcome her issue. Once she got comfortable shooting on the left side, she became quite a good shot.

    John MI
     
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    Nik017 Am i glad to hear some others have this same problem. (not Really) Right hand and right eye dominant shooter. When i miss that perfect shot the last mental pic i have is a clear view of the target flying away. The only way i can have that clear unobstructed view is with my left eye.

    Been plagueing me for 30+ years. Tried a blind fold on left eye, that did not work.
    Tried scotch tape, sorta helped.

    The only thing that really helps is, when getting ready to shoot i have to tell self (close your left eye you dumb sob), that seems to help.

    Even try sticking finger left eye---Will keep reading posts for ideas. Steve
     
  18. nik017

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    BIG BIG thanks to everybody so appreciate all your advice. I am investigating lot's of things and am so glad I have somewhere to start. I was feeling so despondent. Not now thanks to you all.
     
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    nik017, not sure which game or games your playing down under. If your shooten trap and/or trap style game understand that the have_to_shoot_both_eyes_open mentality of the many is a misconceptiion to becoming proficient in ability. It is quite likely that you being a lady will need to accept that tape over left lense (presuming your shooting from right shoulder) is necessary or just closing that eye. Its Ok and most women to become roficient need to do so. Just life. Again, its OK and just dismiss the boys and the one boy that really matters, you can control in your own way.lol

    huntinmama, I bet a coach does come near you. Where do you live? Would be more than happy to help you find and or get into a clinic if your so inclined. You can PM me if you would feel more comfortable discussing this privately.
     
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