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Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by ithaca33, Jun 22, 2011.

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  1. ithaca33

    ithaca33 Member

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    I recently started shooting ATA and I have noticed something that really bothers me.

    As I acquire the needed 500 registered single targets to be placed in an appropriate class I can't help but notice that the class system seems irrelevant.

    I was placed in B class at my first shoot which I understand is a fair place to start a shooter until their average is ascertained. As my average is about a 93 right now, B class is likely where I will stay BUT....

    How is it that the people in C and D class are winning with scores of 95 and 96 yet they remain in C and D class?!?!? Its nuts. The B class winner almost always shoots a 99 or 100.

    If these are the scores these people are registering then why aren't they in A or AA as their scores indicate they should be?

    Seems like I'll be stuck in B getting crushed until i start running 100 straits lol.

    Is there an explanation for this? Something I am missing?

    Thanks

    Pat
     
  2. W.P.T.

    W.P.T. TS Member

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    Welcome to the ATA, bring money and be prepared for an education that even money can't buy ... Them C and D shooters got rabbits foots in their pockets thats why they always get so lucky ... Go get you one ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  3. Pull & Mark

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    Pat, now you understand why so many shooters like handicap. Break-em all. Jeff
     
  4. scott calhoun

    scott calhoun Well-Known Member

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    Class placement is based on average, but trophies are awarded based on actual scores.

    If your average is 93, do you shoot a 93 every single time you shoot, or have you shot scores both above and below that average?

    If you take a look at scores shot by those in the higher classes (AA, AAA) you will find that their scores don't vary much from their average. Someone carrying a 97, 98, 99 average isn't likely to shoot a 90 or 91. However, someone with a 90 or 92 average could shoot an 85 just as easily as they could shoot a 98. Take a look at the scores at a shoot sometime and go thru all the scores for the lower classes. You'll see a B shooter put up a 99, but I'd be willing to bet you'll find B shooters in the low 80's. D class will have an even greater gap between high and low. Lower class shooters can't maintain higher averages not because they can't shoot a good score but because they can't shoot good scores on a consistent basis.

    If you are carrying a 93 average there is only one way to get from B class up to AAA - you have to shoot scores above your average. Those scores will be shot at a registered shoot and you'll end up winning trophies as your ability/scores start to improve.

    Scott
     
  5. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    WPT, quit jerking 33. We all know they sandbag. Bulge.
     
  6. JACK

    JACK Well-Known Member Supporting Vendor

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    Ithaca. I bet you flunked rocket science 101...

    But really, Class trophies are won on the way up the ladder. Congrats on being in B class so soon. Sit back and enjoy the ride and make some new friends
     
  7. knutershooter

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    I noticed the same thing about 10 years ago and asked the same questions but I look at it like I want to break every target and get into the upper classes not hang around the c class and try to break a big score at big shoot, I want to break a big score everytime. I 'm sure I will bring up a sore subject but I do think there are people out there that don't necessarily try to shoot their best all the time but try to shoot their best at larger shoots. So be it if thats what they choose to do. If you look at any trap score board at a larger shoot you have to run'em all to win anyway especially from the 16. Now from personal experience I am a below average doubles shooter like an 85 average but at the state shoot did manage a 90 but the targets were perfect for me and I was seeing them well that day and have been back to 79-85-86-88-74 ever since. So my advice would be just to go shoot them the best you can and when you get into the upper classes you will need to shoot well everytime to win anyway.
     
  8. wolfram

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    Because you don't usually win with an average score. It normally takes a much better than average score. Winning is associated with exceptional performance in all sports and that means not everyones wins everytime.

    Winning one event with a good score probably doesn't change the persons average enough to go up a class - but sometimes it does.

    If a person should win a class event in a multiple day shoot they are advanced to the next higher class if they shoot any other like events in that shoot. These are temporary advancements and you may get one of those some day.

    Someday you will win an event (yes you will) and then the system will make a bit more sense to you. When you do win ask yourself if it is fair for you to take the victory or if the guy(s) that shot their average should have it. Then ask yourself if this one time victory should require a class advancement for you.
     
  9. ithaca33

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    Don't get me wrong, I have no intention of dropping down into C or D....I want to ear my way into AA asap. Who wouldn't want to consistently put up 98-100 targets?

    I was just surprised by the scores I was seeing out of lower classed shooters.

    Thanks for clearing it up!
     
  10. Bluzman98

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    WPT

    I thought those C's and D's shot those high scores because they had some of your "magic rocks"......lol

    Jim C
     
  11. BDodd

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    The more people in any class, the more likely that class will be won by a very high score. 3 guys? likely they'll fit right into class average but 100 people? there's bound to be a 100 posted by any average person. Just a matter of numbers. I've seen state shoots where every class in singles was one by 100s....breakemall
     
  12. locdoc

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    That's what I was trying to remember......... "Magic Rocks"

    WPT, Bill, wasn't it you that inspired so much confidence in several people's ability with those Magic Rocks????? It seems so long ago.

    Doug Whiton, P/W dealer/dist
     
  13. halfmile

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    I know a guy who had a hundred in C one day. It was just a very good day.

    The usual scores were around 90 or so.

    HM
     
  14. SilverShooter

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    My buddies who are A and AA shooters are very steady in their scores and consistantly shoot 95 - 97.

    My average is 90....one weekend I'll shoot several 98s...the next weekend I'll be in the mid/low 80s. On ALL occasions I've hit 98, i was beaten by 99s or 100s in the C class. I shoot for fun and perhaps someday, I'll win a fancy bag...
     
  15. W.P.T.

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    Jim and Doug,

    That to ...

    I have been over to the Reservation many times trying to find a source for more of them, so far nothing ... Seems the new Generation is more into the Casino thing rather than tradition ... My journey continues ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
  16. Bluzman98

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    Bill,

    I still have the magic rocks you sent me. I keep them in the bottom of the shell box holder I use on the line. I just put the box of shells on top of them.

    I'm still waiting for the "magic" to kick in for me after almost 8 years....lol

    Jim C
     
  17. W.P.T.

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    Jim,

    Like the Chief says at the Casino, We make the money hire someone to count it ...

    Your probably not rubbing them rocks right, just keep rubbing until your eyes glaze over then stop and go and shoot ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
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    Bill....Still got my Magic Rocks, setting at the bottom of my shell pouch. I don't know if its the rocks or just me, but I been shootin' pretty good the last 8 years.

    Maltz
     
  19. W.P.T.

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    Maltzie,

    Probably a combination of both ... You plan on cutting me in for a percentage ..? lol ... Keep it up and hit them like you mean it ... WPT ... (YAC) ...
     
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