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help identify this pistol

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by pj 999, Feb 24, 2013.

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  1. pj 999

    pj 999 TS Member

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    Picked this pistol up in a package deal and can't figure out what I have. It appears to be a luger or a P38 type but there is no manufacturer name that I can find. Appears to be a 9mm. Any help with manufacturer and value would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Paul Baker
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  2. jbmi

    jbmi Well-Known Member

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    Japanese or Chinese military, WWII era would be my best guess.
    Not in the same league with German Luger
     
  3. Rufus80

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    Japanese type 94, 8mm caliber
     
  4. MTA Tom

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    Japanese Type 94 Nambu

    "Nambu Type 94 pistol was adopted by Imperial Japanese Army in 1934 (year 2594 of the contemporary Japanese calendar). It was developed to complement and eventually replace the older Type 14 Nambu pistol in military service, but limited industrial capabilities of the Imperial Japan didn't let it happen. Originally only a marginally adequate pistol, by the end of WW2 the Type 94 pistol evolved into the one of the worst military sidearms of the period, due to severely deteriorated quality of materials and workmanship, used in production of this gun. Late production examples of this gun can be simply unsafe to fire, and even the early production guns, which were made to more or less high standards of fit and finish, had some undesirable and unsafe features, such as exposed trigger bar, which can cause unintended discharges if the loaded and cocked gun is handled improperly or carelessly. Total production of these pistols between 1934 and 1945 is estimated at 65 - 70 thousands guns.

    Nambu Type 94 pistol is short recoil operated, locked breech weapon. To lock the barrel and slide during early stages of recoil, it employs a vertically sliding locking block, which is installed below the breech part of the barrel and allowed to rise and fall for short distance within its guiding cut. The locking block projects to both sides from the barrel, to engage cuts made on the underside of the slide. When parts are in battery, the locking block is forced up by sloped surface on the frame, locking the slide to the barrel. Upon recoil, the sloped surface in the frame allows the locking block to slip down, disengaging from the slide and unlocking it. The breech block (bolt) is made as a separate item and removable attached to the slide by a cross-bolt. The trigger is of single action type, with internal (concealed) hammer. Manual safety lever is located at the left side of the frame, above and to the rear of the grip panel. The single stack box magazine has capacity of just 6 rounds, magazine release button is located at the base of the trigger guard."
     
  5. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Yup. Type 94 Nambu "Suicide Special"

    "The gun became notorious for a design flaw that allowed it to be fired with a round in the chamber by pressing the exposed trigger bar on the left-hand side of the receiver."

    One of the ugliest guns ever made.
     
  6. pj 999

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    Thnanks to all for the info and sites. Exact match. How about the holster, clearly marked P38 and dated with markings. Any info?? Any value?? Thanks again, Paul
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  7. cubancigar2000

    cubancigar2000 Well-Known Member

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    worth more than the gun
     
  8. Wahoo

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    The holster is for a German Walther P-38, the pistol that replaced the German Luger P-08 as the standard German military issue sidearm when it proved to be chaeaper to manufacture and more reliable in combat than the P-08 as the Luger was very finicky about the cleanliness of the ammunition fed it while the
    P-38 didn't much care, it shot them all. This pistol was actually designated "HP-38", meaning "Heeres Pistole", as the German word for army is "Heeres". Look closely and you will see the "winged haeken-cruz", the standard Nazi ID of winged-swastika.

    Zardozforty, don't, under any circumsatnces shoot ot allow anyone else to shoot that rifle you have. It sounds as if you have a prime example of a Type-99 "Last Ditcher". These were the last gasp efforts of the japs to build rifles and the receivers are cast, not milled or forged and have hit-or-miss heat-treating.
     
  9. Brian in Oregon

    Brian in Oregon Well-Known Member

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    Holster definitely has value to WWII P38 collectors. There's a glut of postwar P38, P1 and P4 holsters, but WWII holsters, especially brown, are in short supply.
     
  10. pj 999

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    Thanks all,info was very helpful. Paul Baker
     
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