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Help, Average to use starting new year?

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  1. 391 shooter

    391 shooter Well-Known Member

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    My discussion question is based on a 4 class shoot.

    At the end of the 2010 year you have a year end card average of the following:

    Singles= 95% = A class
    Doubles= 85% = B class

    Now on the first shoot of the new year you have a bad day (not bagging just a bad day) and you shoot:

    Singles= 89 = C class
    Doubles= 84 = C class

    Does this mean I go back to C class from this point on until my scores comes up? If this is the case, where does known ability come into play?

    Or do I take my last 1000 target average, including the first score of the year, and continue on?

    This to me is a big gray area in the rule.
     
  2. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    depends on the classifier. Most would look at your previous card, and classify you accordingly...A, B
     
  3. V10

    V10 Well-Known Member

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    The average that you put on your card for this year, is just calculated using the scores shot this year.

    The link above explains how to use each of the areas on the card.

    Here is an example of a filled in card. You'll note that the first shoot recorded is 8/30/07. That shoot ended after September 1, so it is included in the next target year; i.e., it doesn't matter when a shoot begins, it matters when it ends.


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  4. KENENT1

    KENENT1 Active Member

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    start over, your old averages will be on the card and will be looked at when you classify.



    tony
     
  5. 391 shooter

    391 shooter Well-Known Member

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    OK now I get it.

    If I shoot a 99 on the last shoot of the previous year and my average is 96 then I am an A shooter. (4 class shoot)

    On the very next weekend I start the new yaer and shoot an 89 then I start the new year as a C class shooter. (4 class shoot)

    Cool, sounds like BS to me, but hey, who am I to argue.

    Filling the card out has been easy from day one, never had a problem with that, but, thanks for the info in case I did not no how.
     
  6. running bear

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    Most places go by your last 500 targets.

    Buck
     
  7. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    391, that's not what we said...
     
  8. miketmx

    miketmx Well-Known Member

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    The Rule book has a suggested protocol for classifying but it is up to the classifier. Less than 500 targets use last years average and known ability. Between 500 and 1000 targets use current years average or last years average whichever is higher. Implied but not stated is more than 1000 targets use current years average. In all cases known ability can be applied. In PITA the last 1000 targets is used and this can extend over several target years.
     
  9. ivanhoe

    ivanhoe Well-Known Member

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    391 as stated in the ATA rulebook

    Section C Classification

    Page 21 Paragraph 5 Sub paragraph A and B

    5. For better classification of shooters it is suggested that the following method be used.

    a. If the shooter has less than 500 targets on current year’s Average Card, use the previous year average and known ability. b. If the shooter has between 500 and 1,000 targets (inclusive) on his/her current year’s Average Card, use the current average and known ability or the previous year’s average and known ability, whichever is higher

    This should give you an answer to your question.

    Bob Lawless
     
  10. Old Cowboy

    Old Cowboy Active Member

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    Did ya' ever notice when the guy at the classification table is looking at your average card he always turns it over and looks at the backside too? He's looking to see what your average was LAST year.
     
  11. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    I hate it when he looks at my backside.....
     
  12. Old Cowboy

    Old Cowboy Active Member

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    Not to worry BigM-

    Only in Skeet would that be a concern.............
     
  13. Avaldes

    Avaldes Well-Known Member

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    Why don't you just tell the classifier what your skill level is when you register? Isn't it better to be honest than to win a belt buckle for a class you don't belong in?
     
  14. BIGDON

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    Because the rule says you will present your card. Besides a shooter here or there has been known to BS a bit.

    Don
     
  15. 391 shooter

    391 shooter Well-Known Member

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    Bob,
    That is how I see it as well.

    Just wanted to get some seasoned opinions on this. No big deal just a gray area.

    Thanks all for comments.

    I use my last 1000 targets for mine and when I get a new card each year it agrees with my numbers.
     
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