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Health care-What's it mean?

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by smsnyder, Mar 22, 2010.

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  1. smsnyder

    smsnyder Well-Known Member

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    Health care-What

    Can someone explain what they passed on this health care bill? How will it effect average person, business and worker ?
     
  2. philk

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    One step closer to the revolution.
     
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    No. They just passed a "Bill". The Bill will be amended, and until that we really don't know.

    I'm not sure the congress knows anymore than we do.
     
  4. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    philk, odd that you say that. I was at a flea market yesterday and overheard a conversation and one comment was "I hate to say this but I think the Country needs a civil war to straighten it out.". I wonder just how many people are thinking that way. Bulge.
     
  5. Bernie K

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    Don't get me wrong I am scared to death about this bill the same as most Americans, but on another thread (WERE ALL SCREWED) one of the posters Jerbear gives a list of things and page numbers in the bill. I received this by email over a week ago and it really scared me. A friend of mine and I have been trying to find were this info came from to varify if it's in the bill and we can't find out where it came from. The bill has some 2000 pages and this info only goes to somewere in the 4 or 500 pages range, what's on the rest? or is this some other bill?

    Can anyone tell me just were this info came from so I can see it for myself?
     
  6. Barrelbulge(Fl)

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    Bernie from my Congressmans site you can read the health bill. Bulge. click on the link.
     
  7. mandibelle

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    What it all comes down to is what I have been saying for the past year. This should had never come to pass if the people had not voted Obama to office. For the past year all I have heard are bitches and complaints about the new administration. I have yet to run into somebody that admits that they voted for him (most of them are closet voters!!). How in the world did he get elected then??
    You dont have to worry about the government, we have to worry about the people that voted for CHANGE. You all know who you are and you dont deserve to live in this country. To the very large number of youth that voted for him, shame on all of you, to their parents event more shame for not raising your kids better. This is what this country needs to change otherwise we will be in for many more unhappy surprises
     
  8. Mike

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    The way I see it is Obama is trying to get health insurance for 30 million men, women and children who currently are uninsured. This would be paid for by taxpayers who in large already have health insurance. Undoubtably there will be a zillion changes in the proposed plan. Mik
     
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    For starters, it will put another 30 million people into the "health care system". While these people currently get emergency and other treatment as needed, once they are covered by some form of "insurance" (for which we, not they, will be paying) they will start using lots more routine visits, etc which will place an enormous burden on already overstrained doctors, hospitals, etc. without any increase in doctors, fees, or hospital reimbursements which will simply drive the healthcare system to start rationing healthcare for all to cope with it.

    Much more important from some standpoints, however, is that the "reform" gives the federal government enormous power over American citizens, dictating what kind of healthcare you will buy, and what coverage you can, and cannot, have.
    Even more, the government will have the power to dictate your diet, your activities, how you live, etc since all those things can adversely affect your health and therefore can be regulated under the powers given to the government under this new law. Indeed, the IRS will have the power to seize your bank accounts if you don't buy what the government dictates.

    Won't happen tomorrow, or all at once, but I would bet even now the bureaucrats are writing the first of tens of thousands of pages of regulations to implement the new new.

    How's that for "hope and change?"

    Jim R
     
  10. skeezix

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    I have no idea. I run a small business myself and I am scared of sweeping changes like this. I provide health care for my employess and dependents - but it is getting cost prohibitive. My competetion does not, so I have a big ticket overhead item that makes me non-competetive in my market. While I'm sure my clients are happy that my employess have medical coverage, I have yet to find one that will pay extra because of it.

    Trying to find some sort of summary of what it means to me, I stumbled across a "its a great bill website" that offers rebuttal to most of the list of bad things in the bill (the list is out on many websites.) (I like to at least try to understand what the other side thinks) this rebutal was at

    http://pleasecutthecrap.typepad.com/main/2009/07/deconstructing-the-right-wing-lies-health-bill.html

    I have no idea if the rebutal has any more or less factual basis than the list or other concerns noted by the conservative side of the spectrum. To me the rebutal seems to basically think that added layers of control and oversight is a positive thing. They don't seem to be overly concerned with the mechanics of actually making it all work.

    Philosophically, I don't underastand how the government can mandate health care - but they mandate lots of things (like taxes for instance) so I guess we have just given a little more of the time we work each year to Uncle Sam.

    john
     
  11. Conn. Man

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    EVERYBODY HAPPY YET?????????????? How bout you Bulge??

    Sandy.
     
  12. smsnyder

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    Wonder how it will effect Disabled vets who now use Va health facilities? Will medicare stay the same?
     
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    The states will be faced with significant increases in the cost of Medicaid which will mean more to increase taxes at the state level or reallocate current spending. States like California with large populations will really feel the pinch. That was the logic behind the Nebraska or "Corn Husker Kickback".

    Medicare funding will be reduced by 1/2 Trillion dollars. If this amount can be made up by finding new efficient methods or reducing fraud. there should be no or little effect. This sounds like wishful thinking to me.

    Medical professionals may experience reduced reimbursement rates which may cause some to limit new patients, retire or increase costs to non-Medicare patients.

    The trial lawyers will grow and prosper as no limitation is included for tort reform.

    With all of the new patients entering the health care system, there may be delays in receiving services. This may very well be de-facto rationing.

    Grandma and Grandpa will get pain pills but no surgery. My then 90 year old mother was living on pain pills until she received two spinal surgeries (100 % paid by Medicare and a supplement) and for the past 3 years has experienced a much greater quality of life. The pain medication has been reduced by 75% and she is regaining her memory and personality. She laughs and is generally happy instead of being a zombie curled up in pain.

    To me, the most interesting component of this bill is the concept of collecting premiums for 3-4 years before many services will be provided.

    Whatever happens, this is a result of our electoral process. "We the people" have ourselves to credit or blame.

    I know how I will vote in the fall and in the future.

    Ed Ward
     
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    BernieK, I posted that info from another site that we were going through the senate bill. Someone went line by line and found the most interesting parts. Yes the government will have REAL TIME access to your bank account for direct withdrawal of funds to pay for services rendered.

    The issue I have with that is, I have had dealings with Medicare and they don't seem to have their shit together. Just Imagine, some clown hungover from a Sunday night football party, he transposes 1 wrong number into the computer for someone that had an MRI. It's your SS# not the patience. You have X amount of money removed from your account. Now it's up to YOU to fight it.

    You can call Medicare, talk to 5 different people and get 5 different answers. As I understand it, the IRS will be the department to oversee the businesses and people to pay for insurance.

    Businesses with part time employees of 30 hours will be responsible to pay health insurance for their employees and family. The new full time employee seems to be 30 hours now.

    Remember.... Spread the wealth.

    This will be a nightmare.



    3/21/2010 the Day The Republic Died.




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    I see it as writing checks when there's no money in the account. And anyone that thinks the money collected over the next 3 or 4 years for this program will still be there at that time is foolish. Jim Price
     
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    Mandibelle, let's don't forget the people who didn't vote! We have a frequent poster on this site who brags about not voting and says he never again will vote. They are just as responible for Ojackass being in office as the aholes who voted for him.
     
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    What it means is your taxes will go up. Medicare will be cut drastically.
    The app. 30 million that will now be covered are the voting base of the
    Democratic party. Most of those thirty million don't even pay taxes. If
    you voted for Obama , your part of what's wrong with this country.
     
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    Conn. don't be stroking me. You know damn well I am not happy. Bulge.
     
  19. Damifino

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    mik, let me fix this for you....


    [The way I see it is Obama is trying to get health insurance for 30 million men, women and children who currently are uninsured. This would be paid for by taxpayers who in large already have health insurance. Undoubtably there will be a zillion changes in the proposed plan. Mik]


    The way I see it is Obama is trying to <i>spread his Socialist ideal by way of a "free" disposition of</i> health insurance for 30 million men, women and children who currently are uninsured. <i>This would guarantee the support of generations of Americans who'll become dependent on the entitlement. It will </i> be paid for by taxpayers who in large already have health insureance. <i>Those taxpayers who don't have health insurance will be forced to buy a government approved plan and also pony-up for the aforementioned 30 million. When the president signs it tomorrow it is law.</i>. Undoubtably there will be a zillion changes in the proposed <i>reconcillation bill but there is no text available to review what is in that legislation. Also, there is no vote currently scheduled for a recconcillation bill. Or, for that matter, any reason for the Senate to pass a reconcillation bill when the bill they authored has already been passed in the House as is.</i>


    There, fixed it for ya.
     
  20. unplugged

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    First "they" said illegals will NOT be covered. Has anyone noticed the next BIG push is going to be to "fix" the "undocumented" worker problem.
    Illegals will become legal and problem solved another 17 million on "FREE" health care!!

    If this power grap is not the end of our Free Republic, it is close to the end!! From those that work to those that DON'T! is the new Amerika!
     
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