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Have you wondered about the health care plan????

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by bigdogtx, Jul 29, 2009.

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  1. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    Subject: Obama Care Highlights



    This person has been reading the 1000 page house bill and posting it at Twitter……

    The bill is worse than you thought!

    Peter Fleckstein (aka Fleckman) is reading it and has been posting on Twitter his findings.

    This is from his postings (Note: All comments are Fleckman’s)



    PG 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!

    PG 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get

    PG 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!

    PG 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose YOUR HC Benefits for you. You have no choice!

    PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided to ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise

    PG 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access to individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!

    PG 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access to your banks accts for elect. funds transfer

    PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).

    PG 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange to bring private HC plans under Govt control.

    PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs for priv. HC plans in the Exchange

    PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!

    PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation for illegal aliens

    PG 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps to sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan

    PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels for Plans. #AARP members - your Health care WILL be rationed

    PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice

    PG 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No “judicial review” against Govt Monop

    PG 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what you can make.

    PG 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE

    PG 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees AND their families.

    PG 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll

    PG 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll

    PG 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc

    PG 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)

    PG 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access to ALL Americans finan/pers recs

    PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax” Yes, it says that

    PG 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs for Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected

    PG 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same

    PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr’s time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.

    PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries

    PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs

    PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT of CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

    PG 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.

    PG 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize you.

    PG 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.

    PG 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand

    PG 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!

    PG 335 L 16-25 PG 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing

    PG 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan

    PG 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!

    PG 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can you say HC by phone?

    PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life

    PG 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!

    PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death

    PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends

    PG 429 Lines 1-9 An “adv. care planning consult” will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates

    PG 429 Lines 10-12 “adv. care consultation” may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV

    PG 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.

    PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end of life

    PG 469 Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!?

    PG 472 L 14-17 Payment to community-based org. 1 monthly payment to a community-based org. Like ACORN?

    PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage

    PG 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs



    More at - http://blog.flecksoflife.com/2009/07/19/the-first-400-pages-of-the-hc-monstrosity/



    More about Peter Fleckstein - http://twitter.com/fleckman

    And this is the FIRST HALF OF THE MONSTROSITY THAT CONYERS SAID "WHY READ IT?"

    REMEMBER 2010
     
  2. highflyer

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    This can't all be true. We live in a free country. These proposals could only be possible in a socialist country.
     
  3. Guard Rail

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    It is a shame U.S. citizens will sit in silence and let this be forced on them. How much trouble can it be to write your representatives? How much trouble can it be to speak out against that which you know to be wrong? Are the masses to timid or just too lazy to speak their mind?

    This is what I wonder about.

    BK
     
  4. clayshooter555

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    Fro those who doubt what is posted here...go on the net and find the 1000 page healthcare bill. Then cross reference each of these items. They match up perfectly. And then if you still doubt this go to snopes. There is nothing there to says this report is untrue.

    I just sent this entire list to my senators and rep with the following header:

    Just in case you are planning on voting for another 1000 page plus bill without reading it here are some of the items that I find unacceptable in the healthcare bill.

    And by the way how are you planning on paying for it? With another round of creative taxation? By now you must be planning on taxing each and every flower in all of the Nation's gardens?

    How about just staying within the confines of the Constitution and out of everyones' home and business.

    Now I hear you want to tax "fat" foods? Wow. I'm too old to need a nanny.

    Subject: Obama Care Highlights


    This person has been reading the 1000 page house bill and posting it at Twitter…… etc etc etc
     
  5. trapshootin hippie

    trapshootin hippie Well-Known Member

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    Highflyer, you just keep that line of thinking. Obama loves people like you.
     
  6. clayshooter555

    clayshooter555 TS Member

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    Time to get off the couch and tap out a fan mail to your senators and reps.

    This is not a good time in America to sit this one out.

    How about it?
     
  7. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    bet that was some sarcasm from HF....
     
  8. Trappy12

    Trappy12 Active Member

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    yeahyeah...it wont pass anyway
    -Trappy
     
  9. halfmile

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    Good thing everybody is not like Trappy. If everyone sits on their hands we wil be sold down the river.

    Mainstream Media has been producing 70 percent Obama cheer leading. This is what most of the country watches at supper time.

    If conservatives don't make enough noise we are lost.

    I wonder if New Zealand would take me if I sold my house and rentals.

    HM
     
  10. Chichay

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    Until the government (President&Congress) put themselves into the same health care plan they're putting us in, I'm not buying it! They've already gotten away with putting us into Social Security while they have a much more generous program for themselves. We'd be real fools to let them get away with it again.
     
  11. perazzipaul

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    yeah but ask congress how much this bill effects them and you find out that we the people supply them with an insurance policy that costs around 15000 to 20000 dollars a year. plus thet get choose their own doctors and not have them cosen for them.
     
  12. Don Steele

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    Perrazipaul has brought up a most important point..!!!
    How about we ( the citizen's of the United States)...tell OUR EMPLOYEES...( the Congress of the United States) that if they wish to reconfigure our entire health care system..the VERY FIRST THING they do is eliminate their own "special" coverage, and write a plan that includes THEM. As long as we're doing it...let's also end their golden goose retirement system, and let them participate in Social Security too. ( You do know that members of Congress don't participate in Social Security...they have another "special plan"..)
    when you think about it...it's really no suprise that people will spend literally MILLIONS of dollars trying to get elected to Congress...what other job offers such golden benes...AND you get to set your own salary..!!!
    WHAT A COUNTRY...!!!!!
    We've let this happen...WE should be ashamed.
     
  13. j2jake

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    We should also tell those elected eletes that if it Isn't good enough for you then don't force it on me! Jake
     
  14. colonel klink

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    I disagree with Trappy. I do believe some sort of Health Plan will be passed before the end of this year. It will be watered down some to get it passed but it will make it. Once in effect it is easier to continually expand it until it eventually will be what the Messiah wanted in the first place.
    Remember, you have to crawl before you can walk. This is very bad.
    Colonel
     
  15. recurvyarcher

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    Trappy, your blind love is showing through the cracks of what you tried to portray as an intellectual choice in your support of Obama.

    It is obvious by the manner in which you try to discredit people's concern about this bill with such a contrite response.

    It's your responsibility, as someone who tries to influence voter's opinions in a big way online, to now tell people why you do (or do not) support this piece of legislation.
     
  16. birdogs

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    Aw shucks, the guy has been in office less than a year. Give him a chance. Obama will go down in history as the only tryly great American president. Of course, they will be writing that history on cave walls.

    It is remarkable how this country has been betrayed by its elected officials so completely that by the end of one presidential term, it will be unrecognizable. The "American Experiment" is over. IT FAILED! Mortally woulded by liberalism, with the coupe de gras administered by by multi-culturalism.
     
  17. Trappy12

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    Curvy, regardless of how I say what I say, I still get the same response. Whether it is quick and concise, and has nothing backing it up, or a more detailed, well thought out response the responses are still the same. So why waste the time.

    Uhmmm...no, I don't support this health care bill. I think all that needs to happen is that we make it so those who can not get health care, can now get it. Leave privatized health care alone, and just pick up the tab on those who do not have it because they can't get it for whatever reason.

    Colonel klink, yes you are correct in your statement that a bill will be passed by the time this year is out. It just wont be this bill.
    -Trappy
     
  18. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    Trappy,,,,hussein would only NEED $29 Billion to cover all the TRULLY uninsured,,,,that could EASILY be done, hussein just doesn't get to CONTROL another 20% of the economy and our lives!!!!!
     
  19. bigdogtx

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    don't you just love how hussein is running ads regarding the citizens of the United States as a "mob",,,,can't stand being told NO,,,,I bet he stamps his feet behind closed doors just like Dahaub....LOL
     
  20. halfmile

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    I saw a Grandmother and a Registered Democrat objecting, which mob are they from?

    The Chcago machine calling the people of this country a "mob". That's a hoot.

    HM
     
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