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Have you seen this bill?

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by striper, Apr 19, 2009.

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  1. striper

    striper Member

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    Very Important for you to be aware of a new bill HR 45 introduced into the House.
    This is the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009.
    We just learned yesterday about this on the Peter Boyles radio program.
    Even gun shop owners didn't know about this because it is flying under the radar.
    To find out about this - go to any government website and type in HR 45 or Google HR 45 Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sales Act of 2009. You will get all the information.


    Basically this would make it illegal to own a firearm - any rifle with a clip or ANY pistol unless:

    .It is registered
    .You are fingerprinted
    .You supply a current Driver's License
    .You supply your Social Security #
    .You will submit to a physical & mental evaluation at any time of their choosing
    .Each update - change or ownership through private or public sale must be reported and costs $25
    - Failure to do so you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject up to a year in jail.
     
  2. RSVP410

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    I think this HR 45 bill and all of the other useless gun laws forced on law abiding citzens stink. Just so you know, all of those ownership requirements registration, fingerprints, DL & SS #'s, restricted transfers, etc. are required to own a handgun in the State of Michigan and many other governmental juristictions and it has been proven that this does not stop the kind of violent crime that the current Socialist Party will think it does. Let's all hope for the best.

    Regards,
    Scott
     
  3. Bushmaster1313

    Bushmaster1313 Well-Known Member

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    According to Wikipedia:

    "Rush is a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, as well as a former member and founder of the Illinois chapter of the Black Panther Party."

    Under Sec. 102(a)(6) of Mr. Rush's Bill you cannot take your kid to the range with a single shot .22 Cricket until he or she is old enough to enlist without parental consent in the Armed Forces.

    I guess this also means that young men and women who enlist in the armed forces at 17 (with parental consent) can't have guns. I wonder if they are allowed tanks?

    SEC. 102. APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS.

    (a) In General- In order to be issued a firearm license under this title, an individual shall submit to the Attorney General (in accordance with the regulations promulgated under subsection (b)) an application, which shall include--


    (6) a certification by the applicant that the applicant will keep any firearm owned by the applicant safely stored and out of the possession of persons who have not attained 18 years of age;

    P.S. I am not making this up.

    Lou
     
  4. X2 fan

    X2 fan Active Member

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    Good God can you do a search before posting YET ANOTHER thread about this DEAD piece of Legislation?

    Either you are about two months behind the times or you don't check your e-mail very often.

    There are absolutely ZERO sponsors to this bill and it is dead in the water.

    Tim
     
  5. hoggy

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    whether the bill changes anything is not really what they want. What they want is total control over our lives using guns as a scapegoat.
     
  6. j2jake

    j2jake Well-Known Member

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    The bill may be dead but I received a call from the NRA just yesterday wanting funds to fight it. Maybe not as dead as you think. Jake
     
  7. capvan

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    Of course you received a call from the NRA wanting money. BTW, I am a member. I sometimes think if there wasn't a bill to fight, the NRA would introduce one, just so they would have something to ask for money to fight. I totally support the NRA, but sometimes I wonder about their fund-raising tactics.

    And, the bill is dead. Really, really, dead.

    Flames cheerfully ignored...
     
  8. Bushmaster1313

    Bushmaster1313 Well-Known Member

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    Glad that the Bill is going nowhere.

    However, it speaks volumes that a Bill like this could be introduced by a member of Congress from what I am guessing is President Obama's home district.

    Lou
     
  9. Jack L. Smith

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    Dear Capvan and X2 fan and others - For those who think this Bill HR 45 or other even more restrictive bills are "dead" - I am afraid that position is not correct. You are wrong. As holder of a degree in Polical Science, and having studied governments for over 3 decades, I can tell you that no bill is totally dead. Lack of a current sponsor is not evidence of non support. Typically, the sponsor has other support in the wings, favors to be called in and other politicians waiting for the proper time to act. As you know, there is considerable support for further gun & ammo restriction legislation in all of our law making bodies.

    Any bill, or a version thereof, at anytime, can pass through committee without visibility and be attached as a 'rider' to another bill or piece of legislation. Usually, a bill that may meet with opposition by itself, may be attached (in part or in whole) to a bill of much greater importance that is sure to passs - hence the term 'rider'. This can be done at the very last minute; this was just done by our current congress on as a last minute add-on to the stimulus act. (this expempted 2008 the bonuses, and was not visible until months after the passage.)

    Suppose Congress has to enact a bill such as some of the post 9/11 legislation, or recently, that stimulus bill that is more visible & appeals to a majority of the public? - any bill can be attached and yikes, faster than the first shot at doubles, the whole bill passes. Without Presidential line item veto, the entire package will become law. (without further discussion of pocket vetos etc.)

    On the State level this can happen too. As Pensylvanians know, our legislature is famous for passing pay increases and other legslation at 1am or 2am at a closing session of the body.

    Please folks, I know you mean well, but do not claim you know about law passage, or pending "gun" legislation, or declare bills dead if you are not an expert on the process. You are misleading other members of this Forum.

    We should all be aware of HR 45 and other state legislation as well as local referendums, as best as we can. Reversing legislation is far more difficult than defeating, deflecting or modifying it. Our continued visibility to our elected officials will make it harder for HR 45 and others to gain support - but these bills are never totally dead and should not be declared as such. THANKS!
     
  10. Bushmaster1313

    Bushmaster1313 Well-Known Member

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    If Illinois had shall issue CCW the person after whom the Bill is named would be alive, the perp would be dead, and if it did not stink so bad the Bill could be used to wrap fish
     
  11. halfmile

    halfmile Well-Known Member

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    The bill now has a co sponsor, I believe, and does indeed have a pulse.

    Fax blitz needed to your legislators.

    HM
     
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