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Handicap scores Higher with voice pulls??

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by superxjeff, Oct 1, 2012.

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  1. superxjeff

    superxjeff Active Member

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    I thought it was painfully obvoious that this was the case but I have a man who either hasn't seen it or wants empirical evidence to prove the fact.

    I think that the winning handicap score is higher now since voice pulls have become the norm. I know that it seems a 98 or better is required to win just about any handicap.

    Plain and simple... Are the winning handicap scores higher on average today or do you think they are the same?

    The same meaning it took just as high a score 15 years ago to win a handicap then it does now.Jeff
     
  2. bigben

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    Jeff, right on! 1992, 96-97, you made money and all is good!, by the time 96 rolls around, 99-100 are the winners, I remember one moronic shooting friend saying with the voice activators, I'l lkick the "big boys a==] I told him you don't know what you are wishing for, the high 90's handicap shooters are now going to run the table! and having shot with them, the results are in black and white![and green for the money] the only deterrent for e high scores were the quality of the pullers, the All Americans stayed at home with their focus and gun movement, not so for the "cannon fodder" tring to beat them with inferior shooting fundimentals! Even now, watch a donater call for a target with a voice activated system that does not thow on time, his gun moves at leat 6 inches and the target has no appeared yet! LOST is the result, incinerate em!
     
  3. Bisi

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    I can remember being a trap boy back in the 60s at a small club. We had a local shooter go to the Grand one year and he broke a 95 in GAH. No he didn't win but he came back with money. We thought he was a God. Shooting in the mid 90s at the biggest shoot in the world.

    Now a 95 in handicap at a local one trap club won't even get you an atta boy.

    I don't have any numbers but it just seems from normal observation the scores today are so much higher. It always took a 100 or 99 to win a super big shoot like the Grand, but now their are dozens of 98s, 97s that we used to never see.
     
  4. oleolliedawg

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    Most of the naysayers only read about Trapshooting in a book before the advent of voice systems. The rest only know what they think they know shooting from the 21 yd. line!!
     
  5. mixer

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    They might be higher due to the consistancy of the release time. Makes it easier to get a good score today than it used to with hand pulls that could & did vary in release time.

    Eric
     
  6. superxjeff

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    Geez Eric? Do you think that may have something to do with it?Jeff
     
  7. jim brown

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    Times in the 100 meter dash are better along with all the track and field events. Caused by voice pulls or 2 hole targets?


    jim brown
     
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    Jim, because whatever's chasing them is faster now....
     
  9. Setterman

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    Check the number of shooters that have obtained the Grand Slam before and after voice releases. If memberships went down, but Slams went up, it should tell you something.

    One of our favorite posters brought this up.
     
  10. Dr.Longshot

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    Ask Daro Handy


    Gary Bryant
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  11. jim brown

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    Damn voice pulls and 2 hole targets caused the price of beer to go up too.


    jim brown
     
  12. Hap MecTweaks

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    Voice activated calls wasn't the reasons for increased averages by the top guns, easier angles were!

    Even when we had people doing the pulling, the top shooters didn't move their gun till they saw the targets! When they did see it, it was sometimes a tougher angle to get the correct lead on.

    Hap
     
  13. EuroJoe

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    The first time I went to Vandalia, I watched a squad of All-Americans, all very famous shooters, always on the covers of magazines. They shot 125x125 at singles, but the poor trapboy must have thrown nearly 200 targets to get thru the round. I walked away in disgust, thinking to my self: "you call this shit a sport" Bah, Humbug!
     
  14. rdf59

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    Sprinters are faster, golfers are better, pro football players are bigger, faster and in better condition. The same goes with shooters. As a group we (you and i) are better.

    7 years ago our club would have 1 or 2 25's per month. With no change in launch method, we are having 1 or 2 25's per squad.

    I give small credit to voice but the major credit go's to the quality of shooters.
     
  15. likes-to-shoot

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    Shotguns have improved, shells have improved, traps have improved so I would think scores would improve also.
     
  16. TEXASZEPHYR

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    Just could be that most places are using pat traps now instead of the old winchesters. I don't beleive pats throw as many wide angles as the winchesters did

    Bob
     
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    Books, DVD's, Wall Charts, and one on one instruction from All Americans helped a lot also, along with the internet. The opportunity to learn is larger than it has ever been. Instruction along with better equipment in general, along with two hole targets. Its a bunch of different things combined. MHO Scott
     
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