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Handgun Advice - Pulling Left

Discussion in 'Uncategorized Threads' started by EXFDX, Apr 13, 2008.

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  1. EXFDX

    EXFDX Member

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    I'm shooting a relatively new Glock G27 with an internal laser system. I'm a right-handed shooter and sometimes pull shots to the left and I can't remember what causes this. I think I saw on a thread here a while back a diagram of a target separated into eight pie slices, showing what kind of error causes shots to go into each area. Does anyone remember that or can you just give me advice on pulling (pushing, I guess) to the left?

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    Steve
     
  2. EXFDX

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    I'm shooting a relatively new Glock G27 with an internal laser system. I'm a right-handed shooter and sometimes pull shots to the left and I can't remember what causes this. I think I saw on a thread here a while back a diagram of a target separated into eight pie slices, showing what kind of error causes shots to go into each area. Does anyone remember that or can you just give me advice on pulling (pushing, I guess) to the left?

    Thanks,

    Steve
     
  3. Keith1

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    Steve,
    When a right handed person shoots a pistol and the bullets go low and left it usualy means that he is not squeezing the trigger. He is jurking the trigger. Concentrate on squeezing and your results will improve. Good luck!!
    Regards, Keith
     
  4. RobertT

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    Steve, I remember seeing the chart you refered to but damned if I know were. I suggest you do a simple google search (handgun trigger control). Be prepared for more information than you might have bargained for.

    Robert
     
  5. Country Squire

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    Steve, That pie chart is in The basics of Pistol Shooting published by the N.R.A.. If the shots are low and to the left, that is caused by jerking the trigger.If they are high and left, that is due to improper follow through.If they are just left that is due from an improper placement of the trigger finger on the trigger. the proper placement is on the pad which is between the tip and first joint. hope this helps.George( certified pistol,rifle and range safety officer N.R.A.)
     
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    Trigger control, Trigger control, Trigger control. Dont move the gun when squeezing the trigger!!!
     
  7. EXFDX

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    Thanks, everyone. I'll track down the Pistol Shooting Basics book from the NRA - I can probably use all of it!!

    Steve
     
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    I was doing the same when I was shooting competition. A shooter on the Army team that shot at our club watched me and told me I was pulling the shot with my little finger, and to put the finger either below the mag or move the finger away from the gun. It worked and I never had problems again.
     
  9. Shooting Coach

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    If you take a close look at this grip, you will see the trigger finger is touching the frame. This grip is likely to cause the firearm to shoot low and left.
     
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    This grip is proper for a Glock, or any sidearm. You will notice the only point of contact the trigger finger has is the trigger. If the trigger is smoothly pressed, the firearm will shoot where the sights are.

    Precision trigger technique is cardinal for precision shooting. Even if the sights are slightly off, the shot will still be close to the point of aim.
     
  11. Shooting Coach

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    Dear Fred

    I had a camera in my other hand! LOL

    You should absolutely keep a gap between your trigger finger and the frame when shooting ANY sidearm.

    Releasing the Glock trigger only to reset IS the proper way to shoot the Plastic Fantastic for multiple shots.

    Press the trigger, stay in it for follow through until the recoil pulse is over, then release it until you feel it reset, and repeat. If you take the three day factory Glock Instructor Course, they will back that up in your Hard Drive.

    If you have just shot the firearm, and are in Second Sight Mode (sights still on target), INSTANTLY ready for another shot or multiples, do not reset the trigger. If the trigger is kept to the rear, you are ON TARGET, ON TRIGGER, and ON SAFE. If you are hit or struck from behind and convulsively clench your gun hand, you will NOT ND a round toward Heaven knows where, or into Heaven knows WHO.

    If you need to deploy the firearm again, it takes about one-quarter second to reset and fire the pistol. This does NOT affect your Combat accuracy. AFTER the fight is won, and you have decided you can recover to the holster, you put your trigger finger HIGH on the frame, touching the slide.

    During a Lethal Confrontation, your fine motor skills and Cognitive brain are GONE. You are numb, clumsy and operating on your Reactive Brain. This is where your training is stored. You have been training, haven't you?

    These firearms have unique and highly desirable operating qualities. Proper service, ammo, and training put these firearms and their owners at the top of the food chain.
     
  12. hmb

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    Squeeze the trigger and good things will happen. HMB
     
  13. EXFDX

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    For those of you advocating for the "too much trigger finger" theory, my guess is you are 100% correct. And I can clearly see now how too much padding on my palm is probably, in fact, pushing left as I try to squeeze the trigger. The book is on the way, but I will try the idea of removing all contact between the weapon and my trigger finger. I think I have a death grip on the grip (including the pinkie finger, by the way) in an effort to maintain control of a relatively small firearm. I got a grip extension to make room for my pinkie to hold on.

    How can I put enough pressure in my grip and still keep from limp-wristing the shot and getting a cycle failure, though? When I relax finger or hand pressure that sometimes happens. Maybe I shouldn't ask any questions until I'm finished with the book but I sure do appreciate the advice.

    Steve
     
  14. BDodd

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    Steve as well as the good advice with the trigger finger, concentrate on gripping in the hand with only that part of the hand in contact with the back and fore straps in the center of the grip. You don't need to choke the grip from all points around which can also have you printing shots away from the POA. Then "limp wristing" is a function of the muscles in the wrist area and not so much of the grip on the gun. Lots to think about in the whole process. Practice, practice, practice...Bob Dodd
     
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    Steve Oehmen Is this the digram you are looking for?
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    If you right click and save it to your hard drive you can make it bigger and more readable I tried to make a document out of it but I can't get it to download.

    Bob Lawless
     
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    Steve Oehmen If you send me an email I will attach it in document form and it comes out in a much more readable view. claybreaker10@hotmail.com.

    Bob Lawless
     
  17. Shooting Coach

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    Dear Steve

    The secret to proficient handling of a semi auto pistol is sufficient hand strength.

    The Grip master is a great tool for this. The one pictured is the heavy model. I keep several around, including one in the car. I compress it for 30 seconds with four fingers, then turn it around and compress two springs for 30 seconds with my thumb.

    If I drive to my favorite gun club, which takes about 40 minutes, I exercise the left hand on the way to the club, and the right hand on the way back. On longer trips I exercise one hand for an hour, then do the other.

    As a result, my hand strength is sufficient to manipulate a firearm.

    A proper grip on the pistol is to tighten your grip until your hand starts to tremor. Then release it only until the tremor stops. A person with poor grip strength will always have problems with an auto pistol.

    If your grip strength is through the roof, you will have a firm, effortless grip on the handgun.

    I always suggest a two handed grip on a sidearm unless circumstances or injury dictate otherwise.

    Top end grip strength also allows precise trigger control.
     
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    Working up to where you can hold the Gripmaster fully compressed for 30 seconds, then compressing two springs with your thumb for the same time span will make handling an auto pistol or any firearm monumentally easier.

    The most common problem I see with shooters who struggle with autos is simply not having sufficient strength to manipulate them. It should not take a maximum effort to simply upload, download or reduce a stoppage in a sidearm.

    No one is born with good physical conditioning, the Warrior Mindset, or the training needed to come through a Lethal Confrontation. You must train body, mind and soul. Do NOT neglect grip strength.

    Folks will spend big bucks for a trainer to help their Golf, Tennis or Trap game. These same folks will take a minimum class, get their carry permit, buy a handgun that is totally unsuitable for them and think they are good to go. They are wrong. Sometimes they are DEAD wrong.
     
  19. EXFDX

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    Mr. Lawless, yes, that's it. Thanks. I've copied it to my hard drive but I'll also email you. The GripMaster is good advice, also. I'm getting older and the arthritis is really setting in. It couldn't but help to exercise my grip. If I could only get something to help me maintain a decent grip on my mind LOL.

    Again - thanks so much everyone for taking the time to share your ideas and comments with me.

    Steve
     
  20. Shooting Coach

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    A lot of folks use a tennis ball to improve their hand strength.

    I like the Gripmaster because it allows quite a bit of finger movement under a signifigant weight.

    As long as one uses SOMETHING to strengthen their hands, they will be way ahead in mastering the sidearm.
     
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