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Gutsy move by Pawlenty on Ethanol

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by mrskeet410, May 24, 2011.

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  1. mrskeet410

    mrskeet410 TS Member

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    He is going into the Lions' den (Iowa) to tweak the noses of the lions. Gutsy move. Newt pandered to the ethanol lobby.

    See link to Wall Street Journal

    1st paragraph teaser for those unable to read the article at this time:

    "One of the immutable laws of modern American politics is that no candidate who wants to win the Iowa Presidential caucuses can afford to oppose subsidies for ethanol. So it's notable—make that downright amazing—that former Minnesota Governor Tim Pawlenty launched his campaign for the Republican Presidential nomination Monday by including a challenge to King Corn."
     
  2. timberfaller

    timberfaller Well-Known Member

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    I wish others would get on board!!

    On my third tank of "non-ethanol" gas, have gotten back 3 more miles to the gallon "around town" Haven't been on the road to see what I get there.

    No more "pinging" going up hill's either, took second tank to get rid of that problem!!

    Its time to quit adding food to our fuel and its time to end any and all subsidies!!!
     
  3. timberfaller

    timberfaller Well-Known Member

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    Here is what I got at the bulk plant where I get non-ethanol fuel.

    "What you need to know about E10/ethanol fuel

    #1 Ethanol is a powerful solvent and when first introduced it strips away gums,varnish and other build up found in fuel tanks and fuel delivery systems. This debris drops into the fuel and leads to clogged filters, injectors and carburetors.

    #2 Ethanol attracts moisture from the atmosphere; chemically it forms an ethanol/water molecule. Water in the fuel causes engines to run rough, stall and can lead to internal damage to engine components. Fuel will naturally hold .05% water in suspension. The water/ethanol molecules are heavier then fuel and drop to the bottom of the tank, the remaining fuel is left without enough octane to properly operate the engine. Plus the ethanol/water mixture in only partially combustible which can lead to severe engine problems.

    #3 Ethanol and gasoline do not chemically bond, instead they are held together in a weak suspension. Over a short period of time the E10 fuel begins to break down. The fuel begins forming solids which can clog the fuel delivery system and reduce octane ratings.

    #4 Ethanol does not produce as much energy as gasoline losing up to 20+% of its power. E10 fuels result in decreased performance, reduced throttle response and greatly reduced fuel economy, un-burnt fuel leads to carbon deposits. To combat these problems we recommend the use of a fuel stabilizer/conditioner. BE careful of what additive you use, many are alcohol based and adding alcohol to E10 can Lead to additional engine problems."

    Most of the issues stated above, I experienced in my 98 Ford explorer 5L v8.

    After the third tank on non-ethanol gas they are ALL GONE! Enough said.
     
  4. Shooting Jack

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    Timber, if you are like me you will have a hard time finding non-ethanol fuel. We have one station in the town I live in and One outside of Eufaula, Alabama. I fuel up at home with Ethanol and get at best 19.4 MPG with cruise set at 62MPH. I fill up with my boat and truck with regular fuel to drive home and get 22MPG with cruise set at 62MPH(I fill up my boat and leave it there for the next trip). This is with a chipped 4.6L with a 3.55 rear. The regular fuel in my home town is 13 cents a gallon higher because it is a full service station(they pump your gas, clean your windshield and check your tire pressure if you ask) but at Eufaula it is the same price. Also Ethanol melts rubber, primer bulbs on boats, gasket in carbs and is the downfall of weedeaters, blowers. Jackie B.
     
  5. GoldEx

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    Ethanol made from sugar cane is the only way to fly. Made out of corn is a money maker for the american farmer and that's about it.

    Jeff
     
  6. timberfaller

    timberfaller Well-Known Member

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    Shooting Jack,

    Thats the way it is here ONE place to buy it at. They say, as long as they can keep their supplier from putting it in, Thats all they will sell.

    I am in WA state about 3 hours away from all the refineries here in this state.

    As long as the Feds stay out of telling the refineries that they "have to" add, these guys will be able to get it.

    Government never can fixes anything, they only SCREW things up!!
     
  7. ou.3200

    ou.3200 Well-Known Member

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    In many areas of the country gasoline without ethanol is unavailable. Isn't it interesting that in the "land of the free, home of the brave" pure gasoline is unavailable while in foreign countries like Brazil and Venezuela drivers have a choice of ethanol, gasoline or a mix of both. Why do we put up with it? Vote in 2012!
     
  8. X2 fan

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    An earlier poster said that ethanol made from corn is only a money-maker for farmers. Sadly, that is not the only thing it is as the horrible side-effect has been the loss of a great deal of wildlife habitat for both game and song birds due to people dropping out of CRP to get more money. Short-sighted and money hungry.

    STOP the subsidies for ethanol! I salute Pawlenty for having the 'nads to say this in Iowa. Sadly, he won't go far...

    Tim
     
  9. RunGunIPSC

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    With very exacting record keeping when my 2005 Camry V-6 was new I got 26 MPG on unleaded regular. With Unleaded regular + 10% Ethanol,I got 22.6 MPG. I have switched to no Ethanol Premium at a horrid price increase(30-35 cents a gallon) My milage is back up where it was. I live in heavy usage snowmobile/ATV country so several stations have it. Anyone out there remember the Dial It UP Blue Sunoco 260 that was about 103 leaded Octane. Sunday fuel for the strip.
     
  10. GunDr

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    Is Pawlenty just blowin' smoke or smokin' blow....

    http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/09/26_mccalluml_ethanol/

    St. Paul, Minn. — Minnesota was the first state to require that all gasoline sold in the state contain 10-percent ethanol. Montana and Hawaii have passed similar laws, although they haven't gone into effect yet. This year, Pawlenty pushed for doubling Minnesota's ethanol mandate to 20-percent by the year 2013. He says the events of the last few months have made it clear that the nation must reduce its dependence on fossil fuels.


    Pawlenty challenged all states to achieve 10-percent ethanol use by the year 2010. He says ethanol can benefit states that aren't corn-producers, since ethanol can be made out of sugar, other grains and even garbage. He also defended ethanol subsidies, which critics have questioned.
     
  11. Brian in Oregon

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    Sounds like Pawlenty is talking out of both sides of his mouth.
     
  12. oz

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    Isn't it interesting. they charged us more money to put ethanol in the gas and they charged us more if they didn't put it in? what a country. oz
     
  13. shooterIII

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    Without the subsidies there would not be ethanol to burn because of the high cost. The cost of the propane used to produce the ethanol would make it to expensive to sell and compete.

    See the above article.
     
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