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Gunfight: The Battle Over the Right to Bear Arms

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by mrskeet410, Oct 17, 2011.

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  1. mrskeet410

    mrskeet410 TS Member

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    Book about the 2nd Amendment and the Supreme Court reviewed at Wall Street Journal on-line. At link.

    Reviewer is a political correspondent for ABC News and seems to have an ABC News bias. I wish WSJ had used one of their writers for the review of the book.

    Note - WSJ.com links tend to go stale in a day or two.
     
  2. timberfaller

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    No one, who knows how to read and understand "English" NEED'S the WSJ, ABC, or any other writer or lawyer to explain the Second Amendment!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Just read the minutes and journals of the Founders of the three days it took to come up with the way THEY (english language) WORDED it! It is not rocket science.

    It was written though in a way that the intellectual's of today can't grasp it!
    its to "Simple"

    No wonder the Founders believed in the People, over academia!
     
  3. autogun

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    Not quite right timberfaller;
    Madison, Hamilton, Jay- generally regarded as the authors of the federalist papers-- all lawyers
    Jefferson and most signatories of the Declaration of Independence--lawyers
    The articles written over the last 30 years and relied on by the Supreme Court to find an individual right in the Second Amend.---by lawyers
    The people who brought you Heller--lawyers

    Madison, drafter of the Constitution, thought good citizenship and democracy would be promoted by education.

    So, that nice clean language was the work of lawyers who hoped for an educated populace to hang on to the liberty achieved by their efforts.
    Enjoy.
    David Vandercoy
     
  4. mrskeet410

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    So timberfaller, what do know about Supreme Court's rulings on the Second Amendment?
     
  5. mrskeet410

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    It seems the NRA did not support the suit that went to the Supreme Court. That suit led to a very favorable Supreme Court ruling in favor of gun rights.
     
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    The bill of rights was written so illiterate people could understand. All laws written by congress are suppose to be the same way, it is in the constitution.
     
  7. BigM-Perazzi

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    Big-M - I believe those were filed AFTER the case got to the Supreme Court. Get the book and read for yourself.
     
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    I don't read after the fact. I read the facts as they occurred. Sadly, you apparently didn't.
     
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    While I do not consider myself an expert on the subject... it is my recollection also that the NRA was not in favor of Heller, but once the case was picked up, the NRA jumped on board with an AMICUS Brief and was also allowed the rare opportunity to argue...

    I found the review balanced... MS410 - thanks for the thread... I think its something I'd like to read also...

    Jay
     
  11. BigM-Perazzi

    BigM-Perazzi Well-Known Member

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    The NRA wanted as usual a harder stance. When their position was not accepted, they did not turn their back on it.
     
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    The NRA claimed 100% credit for Heller. They did not earn that level of credit.
     
  13. BigM-Perazzi

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    I'll ask for a link for that statement.
     
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    spitter and coach your 100% right-
     
  15. BigM-Perazzi

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    Still waiting for that link...
     
  16. Jerbear

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    Here in MI, our fathers wrote our version of the 2nd amendment a little clearer.

    MI Constitution Article 1 Section 6

    ยง 6 Bearing of arms.
    Sec. 6. Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.


    No ambiguity at all.

    Now before people go off on federal preemption, I know that. our MI right to bear arms are very clear. I'm sure that most states constitutions read the same.


    Jerbear
     
  17. hebbard

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    BigM

    This looks pretty close to the link ya'll want:

    http://reason.com/archives/2008/11/18/how-the-second-amendment-was-r

    Not that I disagree with their thinking, or that they did not become important support later in the process, but MrSkeet is correct that the NRA did not initially support Heller.

    Hebbard
     
  18. BigM-Perazzi

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    Hebbert, what he wrote was they did not support the case that went to SCOTUS. When in fact they first opposed it fearing the court was not 'right for a 2nd amendment challenge. When it was presented to the court, they of course threw their resources into supporting it.

    The inference is they turned their back on it which is not true.

    It is ignorant to think any gun related right would survive in today's court system without the presence of the NRA'S membership.
     
  19. BIG JIM IN BAKERSFIELD

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    This was the result of the last "Battle". And we won......Jim
     
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