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Gun control "We got a problem "

Discussion in 'Shooting Related Threads' started by Fraz, May 23, 2010.

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  1. Fraz

    Fraz TS Member

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    While you were watching the oil spill, the New York failed terrorist bombing and other critical crises, HillaryClinton signed the small arms treaty with the UN.
    OBAMA FINDS LEGAL WAY AROUND THE 2ND AMENDMENT AND USES IT. IF THIS PASSES, THERE COULD BE WAR
    On Wednesday Obama Took the First Major Step in a Plan to Ban All Firearms in the United States
    On Wednesday the Obama administration took its first major step in a plan to ban all firearms in the United States. The Obama administration intends to force gun control and a complete ban on all weapons for US citizens through the signing of international treaties with foreign nations. By signing international treaties on gun control, the Obama administration can use the US State Department to bypass the normal legislative process in Congress. Once the US Government signs these international treaties, all US citizens will be subject to those gun laws created by foreign governments. These are laws that have been developed and promoted by organizations such as the United Nations and individuals such as George Soros and Michael Bloomberg. The laws are designed and intended to lead to the complete ban and confiscation of all firearms. The Obama administration is attempting to use tactics and methods of gun control that will inflict major damage to our 2nd Amendment before US citizens even understand what has happened.
    Obama can appear before the public and tell them that he does not intend to pursue any legislation (in the United States) that will lead to new gun control laws, while cloaked in secrecy, his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton is committing the US to international treaties and foreign gun control laws. Does that mean Obama is telling the truth? What it means is that there will be no publicized gun control debates in the media or votes in Congress. We will wake up one morning and find that the United States has signed a treaty that prohibits firearm and ammunition manufacturers from selling to the public. We will wake up another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that prohibits any transfer of firearm ownership. And then, we will wake up yet another morning and find that the US has signed a treaty that requires US citizens to deliver any firearm they own to the local government collection and destruction center or face imprisonment. This has happened in other countries, past and present! THIS IS NOT A JOKE OR A FALSE WARNING. As sure as government health care will be forced on us by the Obama administration through whatever means necessary, so will gun control. Read the Article U.S. reverses stance on treaty to regulate arms trade WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States reversed policy on Wednesday and said it would back launching talks on a treaty to regulate arms sales as long as the talks operated by consensus, a stance critics said gave every nation a veto. The decision, announced in a statement released by the U.S. State Department, overturns the position of former President George W. Bush's administration, which had opposed such a treaty on the grounds that national controls were better View The Full Article Here
    Click on the link below for further acknowledgement... http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015
    Fraz
     
  2. kraiza

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    As a NRA member there is nothing else I can do. I live in N.Y. and heard about this 2 weeks ago. I just like it vote the President out. I sure didn't vote him in.
     
  3. mrskeet410

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    My read on that article is that 'arms control' as they use the term refers to military arms and munitions, e.g. airplanes, tanks, apcs, missiles, AT and AA systems, etc.
     
  4. southjblue

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    I don't think they will ever be able to control our guns in this USA---There would Be all out war---the underground would drive them crazy and they know it---
    Let them try---sjb---
     
  5. Bruce Specht

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    At a minimum we all need to take notice of what is happening. Now is the time to get out the vote for November
     
  6. Real Stinky

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    This is why the 2nd amendment exists.
    Bring it on.
     
  7. stilltrying

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    Spreading misinformation is why a certain party lost so many seats in the last elections. I for one am sick of (present article excluded) of all the lies being circulated. One party can only say no. The only people who benefit from them are the big corporations and oil companies. Ask your Senators how much campaign money they recently got from the big banks.This "information" and swift boating is just like the propaganda the nazis used in WWII. Bottom lineis vote them all out. We need term limits for state and federal elected officials. Elected officials should public servants the voters should not be the servants of the elected officials.
     
  8. Unknown1

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    Congressional suicide would be supporting this if it ever came to ratification.

    HM
     
  10. sliverbulletexpress

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    "swift boating"? You mean like telling the truth about a Senator who wanted to be President and tried to run on a made up war record? The same guy who dumped on the men who did their job? When he was exposed by those who were there and knew the truth? They are supposed to just shut up? I guess the libitards would like that.
     
  11. timb99

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    OK, this is like the 9th time this has been posted this year.

    Catch up guys.
     
  12. timb99

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    Read this.
     
  13. Luckyman

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    To enforce house to house confiscation of firearms which is what would have to take place will be a very dangerous job for those commissioned with such a task....There will be people willing to kill and be killed to defend their right to bear arms....There are just too many guns and too many people willing to use them....This is one of the reasons General Yamamoto did not want to take the fight on American soil.... He replied " the American civilian population is too well armed "!
     
  14. Unknown1

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    timb99 says...
    <blockquote><I>"Read this"</i> (referring to an NRA article)</blockquote>

    You didn't expect unbiased objectivity from these people, did you

    MK?
     
  15. bigdogtx

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    "Article V of our Constitution


    The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.


    It takes a lot more than just a greater than 50% majority to amend the Constitution. The amendment process starts with either a two thirds vote of both the Senate and the House Of Representatives to propose an amendment or two thirds of the states legislatures call for a convention to propose an amendment. A proposed amendment can only be ratified by by either three fourths of the state legislatures or by three fourths of state conventions. The president of the United States has no part in this process.


    The processes mentioned above are the only legal ways to change our Constitution. Many have been lead to believe that treaties can override the Constitution. This is simply not true.


    People refer to Article VI of the Constitution as why the believe that treaties supersede the Constitution.


    All Debts contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation.


    This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.


    The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.


    The second paragraph is always mentioned in regard to treaties. The third paragraph is important also because it says that members of our government are bound by oath to support the Constitution. They can not violate the Constitution. Passing a treaty that violates the Constitution would be a violation of their oath of office.


    The phrase in the second paragraph, "all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land", is what confuses some. Treaties are under the authority of the United States. A treaty that would change our law of the land, the Constitution, would not be legal.


    Treaties must be ratified by two thirds of the Senate. Any member of the Senate that votes in favor of ratifying a treaty that violates the Constitution would be violating their oath of office. Members of the government that violate their oath of office can be fined and imprisoned.


    One last thing. When I explain this I am usually told that Barack Obama will still try take away our Second Amendment rights because he doesn't care about the law. This is true. Barack Obama has no regard for our laws. The point of this is to explain that what he is trying to do is not legal. If everyone thinks that a treaty with the United Nations can legally take away our Second Amendments rights then most citizens will not stand up and fight this. There is a reason that the treaty myth has been around for a while. It is to make us think that we have no legal way to save our rights when treaties are involved. We have to contact our state legislatures and our representatives in the federal government and let them know that an attempt to change the Constitution with a treaty is illegal. Let them know that if they don't make an attempt to stop this then they are violating their oaths of office.


    Sources:

    Disloyalty and asserting the right to strike against the Government

    The Constitution--Plain and Simple--Treaties"
     
  16. melbournemike

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    The comprehensive UN ban on weapons targets international military arms movement! It has nothing to do with US gun ownership.Read NY Times july 4 2009
     
  17. H82MIS

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    They won't try to take our firearms until the revolution is over,,,,less people to deal with,,,,

    You think I'm full of shit,,,JUST WAIT,,,,,
     
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