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Gun Control policy - How would u vote?

Discussion in 'Off Topic Threads' started by Hookedonshooting, Sep 20, 2013.

  1. Hookedonshooting

    Hookedonshooting TS Member

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    I started writing this thread several times, but ended up deleting it each time as it got too wordy. We all know liberals want to take away our guns. But, as a responsible, law abiding citizen, how would you feel about this possible solution?

    Every form 4473 answer can be substantiated by the ATF, except question 11(F), which unless you got caught by the law, you can say "NO" and the clearance process runs its course. The question asks, "are you mentally ill, or been committed, or incapable of owning a firearm? Im paraphrasing the question, as you have read it in its full context.

    Most of these mass shootings, which have given the liberals the fodder they need to push their anti gun agenda, have been the result of individuals who have been diagnosed as mentally ill. Unfortunately, after the fact.

    Juvenile records are sealed once the individual turns 18. They get a clean slate, even though their personal issues, may or may not have been resolved. As an adult , they can remove/release themselves from the physician's care that may have been directed by their parents/guardians while they were minors. The HIPPA laws prevent the ATF, nor others, to know anything about an individuals known issue as it relates to any health issues, whether it be physical or mental. Medications are prescribed for serious disorders, but are they taken by the person under treatment?

    My Question - Would you support, or be willing, to allow your HIPPA rights to be reviewed, as it relates to mental illness only, as a condition to purchase a firearm? IN EXCHANGE for the abolishment of ALL current and proposed legislation re gun control to the individual that agrees to such a review.

    My opinion is irrelevant, I am asking for YOURS.
     
  2. jim brown

    jim brown Well-Known Member

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    Trading one freedom for another is A slippery slope indeed.


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  3. RobertT

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    NO! Any compromise on constitutional rights is a loss of freedom. Keep in mind, the left wing media blitz and liberal outcries every time a gun is used greatly exaggerate the issues and diminish the facts.

    Yes, it is tragic anytime innocents are victimized, especially when governments do it to their own citizens.

    Robert
     
  4. jagrdawger

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    Many people failed in the Navy case, not the least of which were his former commanders who apparently failed to suspend his clearance and later have it revoked. He clearly displayed behaviors and conduct that substantiate "derogatory information" needed to support a revocation. USIS is catching heat for not uncovering this, however, if he was never convicted and his records were not properly documented they probably did not find the evidence they needed.

    No, I would not support opening my records. As it is Obama will have too many untrustworthy community activist non-medical types looking through our records as it is when they start forcing Obamacare navigators on us.
     
  5. grntitan

    grntitan Well-Known Member

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    Should have used the Political section for your thread.
     
  6. spritc

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    No! No trade-offs!
     
  7. rpeerless

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    Professionals disagree on the critera for mental illness on a daily if not hourly basis.
    Why would you want to gamble your gun rights on that slippery slope?

    Besides as Reagan concured the mentally ill have a God given right to hunt for food with the tools available to them as well as everyone else unless you plan to feed them. They also have a right to defend themselves against agressors and they also have the right to live within a good government framework and not a tyranny.

    Don't judge all the mentally ill for the bad behavior of the few mentally ill.
    Keep in mind that alchoholism, smoking syndrome, foot fetish and eating disorders etc. are considered mental illness.

    And if you collect two or more of an item you might be considered a 'hoarder' another mental disorder. It depends on who does the evaluating.
     
  8. Mr. Charles

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    If your opinion doesen't matter, why should ours?

    MC
     
  9. tachyon

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    There are professors in medical school who today tell their classes that anyone who owns or wants to own a gun is mentally ill. A nice neat way to eliminate all legal gun ownership.

    In the blue states they are already discussing adding a requirement that anyone wanting to purchase a gun must submit to a mental health screening (paid for by the applicant of course). If you pass the screening then you can purchase a gun. If you want to purchase a gun next month then you will need a second mental health screening. Every two years you would have to repeat the screening in order to be able to keep your guns. Coming soon to a legislature near you.
     
  10. Mapper

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    I expect that as soon as the trade was made, someone would find a reason to renew all the former laws plus the mental test. I'll pass.
     
  11. Brian in Oregon

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    There is no such thing as compromising with the anti's.

    Why?

    Because they will simply come back later to take another slice of the pie.

    There is NOTHING binding upon the next congress to abide by any agreements previous congresses made.

    In fact, in 1982, a Senate subcommittee looked into the Second Amendment and found that it did indeed affirm the right of individuals to keep and bear arms. They even published a book about it (see link). This paper wound up being one of the most important documents in the fight for Second Amendment rights. Yet, there is no end to anti-gun Senators and Congressmen who defy the finding and work to ban gun ownership. What a previous congress did means nothing to them.

    Even after the Heller decision the anti's are going full steam ahead to ban guns or ban people from owning guns.

    The historical precedent of Neville Chamberlain's appeasement policies with Hitler cannot be ignored, because we are dealing with liars and other dishonorable people who have but one goal in mind, and that is to ban all privately owned firearms. They will do whatever they can to take what they can at the moment, then come back for more later. They will make up "facts" at the drop of a hat to support their position and incite the non-gun owning public.

    In fact, we're seeing that right now, this week, with the new term "law enforcement style shotgun", with the goal of restricting pump shotguns, after the navy yard tragedy. Their iron is in the fire and they're ready to strike. They're going to take whatever slice of the pie they can and right now someone thinks the Remington 870 and similar shotguns need scrutiny.

    And you really want to negotiate with these people?
     
  12. Don Steele

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    "law enforcement style shotgun"

    AWESOME...!!!!
    It won't be long before somebody over there on the left figures out that the Winchester Model 12 and Ithaca Mod. 37 are "Military style shotguns" with proven combat records.
    One has to wonder how long before THAT drum gets beat daily in the MSM and we find ourselves with NEW classes of terror weapons in our closets we never knew we had.

    I wonder if it's even possible in the current political environment to take the focus OFF the weapons and examine the question WHY these tragedies occur. Suitable weapons for mass murder have been available for over 100 yrs. MOST of that time there were NO incidents of random mass killings. WHY NOW...????
     
  13. GW22

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    Unfortunately - very unfortunately - there is no compromising with those who don't respect the Bill of Rights or the freedoms America represents (or used to).

    Those bent on stripping us of our Constitutionally guaranteed rights are attacking us from every direction: anti-gun ownership legislation (at all levels), continuous propaganda through the in-the-tank media, brainwashing of children in our schools, taxation, insurance, EPA, undermining the ammunition supply, local noise ordinances, frivolous lawsuits against firearms manufacturers, and on and on. This attack is sophisticated, well-funded and relentless.

    Anybody who thinks that "compromising" with a mindless mega-machine like this will get it to stop attacking us is a fool.

    -Gary
     
  14. abbielew

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    Hookedonshooting: You indeed are a dumb a???

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  15. spitter

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    Does a person who is already adjudged mentally ill and/or incompetent deemed to have the capacity to actually complete the 4473/11F? Further, would that be a form of self-incrimination?

    I seem to recall a SCOTUS decision (paraphrasing) - criminals do not have to follow guns laws as their application would be a form of self-incrimination, taking away their right against self-incrimination...

    Anyone here recollect that concept?

    To answer the OP's question... NO!

    Regards,

    Jay
     
  16. Jawhawker

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    People that would fall for such a "ploy" are part of the reason we have to deal with present circumstances.
     
  17. Dr.Longshot

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    The mass killings lately have been Blacks shooting everything and everybody, even defenseless babies in strollers, and now a black w/mental and psycho problems using his ID to get in the shipyard and kill a dozen defensless workers.

    Chicago has the highest murder rate in the USA, Obama's hometown.

    An that is in Illinois, Black Ghettos are the worst areas.

    Is it true that more murders are committed by Blacks? Proportionally to Whites?

    Gary Bryant
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  18. wayneo

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    I would guess that 99.9% of the people using handguns in the commission of a violent crime.....Have never filled out a 4473.

    My answer is NO.

    Wayne
     
  19. Frenchy

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    Frank Sinatra in "The Manchurian Candidate" watch it.It will kind of explain
    what is going on in this country to take away our guns.Ever notice how "EVERY"
    mass shooting the shooter kills "HIMSELF"?We have to remember the majority of
    the demo rat ic party are commies and they cannot take control of the country with
    armed citizens.SHOCK that is what they are trying to do to turn the rest of the
    people to gun confiscation even going as far as killing kids anything to advance there take over!And yes they will stup
    GUNS DO NOT KILL PEOPLE PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE ! ! ! !
     
  20. Catpower

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