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Green Dot @21.0 Grains/Paper Hull

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by In plain view, Dec 28, 2016.

  1. In plain view

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    Dumping Hodgdon 700x for Green Dot in my Federal paper hulls. Using the Federal 12S4 wad w/209a and subject 21.0 grains, anyone have experience with this load as far as recoil? I've heard the Federal 12S3 wad with this charge will not crimp good as to why the 12S4 comes into play. Comments anyone?? Bob
     
  2. mg1polo

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    I never had any issues with the 12S3 in this load.
    I am loading 23.0 gr for my handicap load with no issues with the 12S3.
    Don't know anyone who uses 12S4 in paper.
    That doesn't mean it will not work, just don't know.
    Good Luck either way,
    MG
     
  3. RickN

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    Bob that is the exact load I use. It's excellent.

    I use the 12s-4 wad.
     
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  4. Setterman

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    1200 FPS with Fed 209A, 7900 psi. Good to go.

    It's in the Alliant load data.
     
  5. wadcrusher

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    What are you implying..Dumping 700x for Green Dot ? Did you weigh it ? Do you mean 21.0 grains of 700x ? You better verify your DUMP...
     
  6. pheasantmaster

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    He means that he's no longer going to use 700X and is switching to Green Dot. His question is about dropping a 21gr charge of Green Dot and using a 12S4 wad to be placed in a Federal paper case.
     
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  7. In plain view

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    Wadcrusher: I think you misunderstood my statement. Pheasantmaster is correct. I'll give the 12S3 a shot first and if my Mec "E" doesn't give me a good crimp I'll switch to the 12S4. Same wad but the 4 has a deeper wad cup. Thanks guys. Bob
     
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    I use the 12s4 for that load. The 12s3 will work but I find the 12s4 give me a crimp that is a little deeper and is a little nicer looking.
     
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  9. In plain view

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    Ajax, thanks for your response as well. Bought a pound of Green Dot plus a bag of Federal 12s4 wads and going to give them a try. Been using 700x for many years but now looking for a better handicap load for the 26 yard line. Again, thanks. Bob
     
  10. wadcrusher

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    20.8 Green Dot...12S3 wad or Clone...Federal Gold Medal Hull...Cheddite or Fed 209 primer...9/8 of shot.....I drop back to 20.3 when the weather warms up....all the shell you will ever need clear on back to the 45 yard line
     
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  11. In plain view

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    This is a follow-up to my original post: Purchased a pound of Green Dot along with a bag of Federal 12s4 wads (ugly brown wad) last week to see what wad, the 12s3 or 12s4, worked best in once fired paper hulls. Fired up my 9000E last might and it didn't long to see that the 12s3 was not the wad using 21 grains of GD. Crimps ok but not great. Small signs of hull crushing. Switched to the 12s4 and what a difference. Fantastic results with the 12s4. Perfect crimps even better than factory. Got my fingers crossed that these shells are the ones I've been looking for. I'll know this week-end. Bob
     
  12. RickN

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    The 12S4 is the closest to the 12C-1 in height.
    I always had trouble keeping the crimp closed using the S-3 wad.

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  13. flashmax

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    Yeah, well. That Brown one is out of balance. Extra plastic on the backside petal. Hell, you can even see the extra in the shadow cast by the flash .......

    HeH.
     
  14. RickN

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    Like Bob said "ugly brown wad."
    I broke lot's of good handicap scores with that load and wad including 100 st.
     
  15. In plain view

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    Flashmax: When I got home with the 12s4 wads from the store I noticed vast majority of the wads had excess plastic on top of the wad. On many I had to remove the excess. I'm surprised Federal does not correct this. JMHO Bob
     
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    I was kidding. I doubt that mold flashing will do any harm unless it is extreme.
     
  17. creeker

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    If you go and buy the CB 3118-12AR wads,it will solve your crimp problems,it is the replacement wad for the Federal 12C1 wad.