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Goodbye UAW

Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by grnberetcj, Apr 13, 2009.

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  1. grnberetcj

    grnberetcj Active Member

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    A new company will emerge with "good assests" and you can bet not saddled with the UAW (which is a liability).


    http://www.comcast.net/articles/finance/20090403/BUSINESS-US-AUTOS-GM/
     
  2. englishupland

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    Still playing chicken...

    These bondholders better accept the reality of the recession and such and realize investmants can go good or bad, or they will be all but be completely sacrificed..Lesser of two evils guys.

    I think the UAW will give in, they just don't want to keep giving while the bondholders keep holding back....Either way they are both going to lose, if they do it out of court they will just lose less...That simple....GM is fighting to stay out of court, but if the Union/Bondholders keep cutting their nose to spite their face they will soon have no nose or face to spite.
     
  3. englishupland

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    How will they feel if they push GM into 11?? They can then say to themselves, "We should have given in, at least we would have gotten something..Now we have nothing"
     
  4. g7777777

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    The UAW kicked deploying Marines off a parking lot they had used for years because a lot of them had support Bush stickers on their vehicles

    The UAW with those antics and all of the gross corruption over the years has been a rodent nibbling away at the underpinnings of industry in america and has served no purpose in the last 50 years.

    grnberetcj we agree on something

    regards from Iowa

    Gene
     
  5. JACK

    JACK Well-Known Member Supporting Vendor

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    Your guys you are missing the obvious. That is when GM goes 11, and the UAW is cut out, then the fed gov (Obama) steps in and takes over those pensions forever. And then the groundwork is laid for a huge step to european style socialism. Federal pensioners on Federal pensions. That is at least 25% of the socialism pie chart.
     
  6. JACK

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    Your guys you are missing the obvious. That is when GM goes 11, and the UAW is cut out, then the fed gov (Obama) steps in and takes over those pensions forever. And then the groundwork is laid for a huge step to european style socialism. Federal pensioners on Federal pensions. That is at least 25% of the socialism pie chart.
     
  7. ks5shooter

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    Its not all UAWs fault.Granted being a bit flexible would of helped.Bad decisions on both ends union and management are thr total sum of the stuation.GM has been shipping jobs over seas since the early 80's.I know they were shipping machines to the ports with my company when the closed the Fischer guide plant in Trenton NJ.Since then thousands upon thousands of jobs were lost.My question is this;If for 20 years jobs that paid good money and benefits were sent to countries making pennies on a dollar and cars prices still were on the rise,where did all the money go?Tsk tsk GM should of saved for a rainy day.The party is over corporate greed has prevailed ,but no more millions for bonuses for ceo's.One year of said bonuses and you wouldnt need to work for the rest of your life.......Don
     
  8. Setterman

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    Remember the campaign promises. MIA is right. The UAW will come out of this smelling like a rose.
     
  9. g7777777

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    It comes down to the same argument-

    If you want to be an executive or a CEO and it is so easy- go ahead and become one.

    If you want to be part of an organization that kicked deploying combat soldiers off their parking lot- you can also be part of that.
     
  10. ks5shooter

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    It is their lot and their right to do as they please.Remember this forum is all about our second ammendment right.To attack their right of free speech because you dont agree with what they said or did is ridiculous.Beleive me I dont agree with what they did ,but it has no bearing on the GM situation.I would not judge you for throwing an abortion activist off your property it is your right to do so without being questioned.....Don
     
  11. dverna

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    I live in SE Michigan and the high wages paid by the Big 3 (due to the UAW) allowed many people to shoot trap, buy boats, summer homes etc etc. These are things they likely would not have been able to afford working for another company with another, or no union. Most have not saved much and supported the economy by spending what they made - after all the union would take care of them.

    The problem is the Union got greedy. The killed the goose by bleeding it to death. The workers are not bad or evil or stupid people, but they lived in a fools paradise for many years. The union fed them bullshit and they bought into it. What happened to their brothers the Steelworkers was not going to happened to them.

    I hear them worry about losing this and that - especially health benefits. Well, welcome to reality. Most of us do not get anything when we leave the workforce and many people who are working have little or no benefits.

    Good people will be hurt by the correction that must occur. Yes, there are some jerks in the union, but not all union workers are like those AH's who kicked the soldiers off the parking lot.

    Don Verna (who went through a 6 month autoworker strike)
     
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    Bottom line:Obama is UAW's man!He is exactly what they wanted.
     
  13. dhwbailey

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    "The problems is the Union got greedy. The killed the goose by bleeding it to death. The workers are not bad or evil or stupid people, but they lived in a fools paradise for many years. The union fed them bullshit and they bought into it. What happened to their brothers the Steelworkers was not going to happened to them. "

    On the other hand, the management at the big three hasn't been sterling either. For too many years, they told us what we wanted to drive. Then the Japanese came in and asked us what we wanted, and built it, and built it better, so many people abandoned the big three, and now they are where they are. Not much sympathy from me.
    The other thing to consider is that many of the health and safety improvements on job sites came because of the unions. Many of today's improved working conditions, like the weekend, came as a result of the unions. It's not all bad.
     
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    Who's to blame for the non-union companies going out of business? GM is lucky to have the UAW to point the finger at. Corporate greed is the biggest problem here. The CEO was taking millions in wages and benefits while sales were dropping to nothing. And you can bet all his chronies were doing the same. Then take the shareholders that still want their cut and what's left? Don has a point that too many people overlook, GM has been shipping out US jobs to cheap foreign labor for a long time and hasn't lowered the price on their product one cent.

    When people blame the UAW they are blaming the lowest group in the company, the people on the shop floor. The UAW bargains with companies for the best wages and benefits possible for that companies employees. I know this because I'm a committeeperson at a union shop (not auto related) with a UAW union contract. I sat in negotiations for two contracts and I know companies do not want to part with any more than they absolutely have to.

    Are there any other lazy union workers out there in TS.comland that are ruining a company? I'd like to hear from you.

    Joe
     
  15. Tripod

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    I used to know plenty of slackers before I retired. About 20% of our work force couldn't or wouldn't pull their share.
     
  16. Old Confederate

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    I was a union member for 35 yrs. and 1 month. What I saw about sorry people being fired was that there had to be facts that they were sorry and not just some arrogant, big head boss saying I am boss and I will do as I please.
    The local paper has a "Parade" section every Sunday. Yesterday it listed what various people are paid.The UAW President in Detroit, Mich. is paid $155,00. The CEO, GMAC in Charlotte, NC is paid $11.6 million. I only have a third grade education but that leads me to believe that company officials are more overpaid than union officials. Larry
     
  17. CalvinMD

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    Old Fed...If you believe 155K was all your UAW Prez brought home I have a bridge in Brooklyn i'd like to sell you....I think they used to call them "Hoffa Bucks" (kickbacks, bribes and extortion with a dab of fraud)...You know..."The American Way"
     
  18. halfmile

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    Blackfoot, you are wrong. He is not the UAW's man, nor is he the black people's man, (not even black) nor is he the yuppie puke prius driving school teacher's man, or any of the other factions he made promises to.

    He just made promises to all those people. Proving what saps the voting public is.

    Most of which were not or will not be kept.

    He lied his way into office on a grand scale, pure and simple.

    One of the darkest days in our history.

    HM
     
  19. poppie

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    I put in 30 years in the UAW. went 78 miles one way to work every day. should i lose my retirememt? i put my time in done my job. if thay want to take this from me thay can kiss my ---!
     
  20. halfmile

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    The anti union believers, especially those that post on this forum, want to believe that all union workers are featherbedding slackers and cheats.

    This is just like to saying that "White Men Can't Jump". It's a belief brought on by WANTING to believe a certain thing so bad you make it true in your mind before you even know. By then the damage is done, and you can't be unconvinced.

    I have worked in a lot of non union places that were as bad or worse, and PLUS they had inferior wages, poor if any health care, and dangerous working conditions.

    I also worked a union job in Michigan (go figure) where the Union guys were such complete assholes they spoiled the whole job with their crap.

    Jackson, to be specific. A mile down the road from ted Nugent's bow shop.

    I'll take union any time subject to my own morals and criteria.

    HM
     
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