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Discussion in 'Politics, Elections & Legislation' started by timberfaller, Sep 3, 2013.

  1. timberfaller

    timberfaller Well-Known Member

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    There are still people in this country that have Values and stand by them at any cost!!

    In a Free market, your allowed to refuse service to anyone!

    Under Socialism/PC YOU are NOT!!
     
  2. bigbore613

    bigbore613 Active Member

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    End of times coming. Jeff
     
  3. chuckie68

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    I think we ought to start kickin' some rainbow ass.

    Semper fi

    Chuck
     
  4. bigdogtx

    bigdogtx Well-Known Member

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    If we don't worry about what someone does in their bedroom, there will be no problems,,,,,,,,,,,yeah, right.........
     
  5. Traders

    Traders Well-Known Member

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    timberfaller,

    "In a Free market, you are allowed to refuse service to anyone"

    Perhaps, but do you know of any totally free markets. They all (every country) have rules. While, you and I may not like them, this is supposed to be a country of laws written by men. Or, are you interested in having our laws be subject to somebody else's religious interpretation.

    Anti-discrimination law refers to laws on the rights of people to be treated equally and this is generally interpreted to mean equally by sex, age, race, ethnicity, nationality, sexual orientation, gender identity, religious and political opinions. In other words, if you are dealing with the public, with few exceptions, you have do deal with all the public.

    You might also want to remember that there have been many calls for boycotts on this site. At the time, I don't remember much discussion about "Free markets

    Chuck,

    Threats of violence, even I am assuming in jest, are rarely lead to rational discussion.
     
  6. chuckie68

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    Traders,

    You are correct.

    Chuck
     
  7. timberfaller

    timberfaller Well-Known Member

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    Trader, your right on the "legal" ground but its wrong on "moral" grounds.

    The two classes of "sexual orientation, gender identity" should have never been allowed in the "discrimination" list.

    God has already settled the issue, Man won't accept it.

    You love the individual, YOU don't put up with the activity(sin).
     
  8. Setterman

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    If the baker was gay, and refused to serve a muslim, would it still be a violation?

    Would anyone care?
     
  9. darr

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    Jeff, the end times more than likely are coming. I just hope there is a shoot out first. Praise the Lord and pass the ammo.


    Darr
     
  10. Traders

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    timberfaller'

    The older I get the less I find myself qualified to judge someone else's definition of morality.

    "The two classes of "sexual orientation, gender identity" should have never been allowed in the "discrimination" list."

    Perhaps, but since we are supposed to be a nation of laws and these classes were included in the laws, we, as citizens are obligated to obey them or be willing to be punished if we do not.

    The bakery owners in the story, seem to understand that clearly and accepted their "punishment" gracefully.

    Setterman,

    "If the baker was gay, and refused to serve a muslim, would it still be a violation?"

    Yes, and if you don't care, you are part of the problem.
     
  11. timberfaller

    timberfaller Well-Known Member

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    "The older I get the less I find myself qualified to judge someone else's definition of morality."

    There is no "judgement" God has already explained it, Sooo its a "actions speak louder then words"

    There are "absolutes" still in this world, MAN wants nothing to do with that, they want "gray" areas. Right and Wrong scare them to much.

    If we have to treat the gay community like the courts are giving them, THEN the KKK should be allowed to do what they do. After all, its a "life" style choice don't you know! Both live in SIN by God's standards.
     
  12. Traders

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    timberfaller,

    I'm not as sure about absolutes as I used to be. Sure there is right and wrong, I just not sure I can, in every situation, tell the difference. In any case, you seem to be talking about immorality in the gay community based on your reading of the bible.. While I may agree on that issue, I don't take everything in the bible at face value.

    For example, while I may not be enthusiastic about adultery, I would not support stoning, or any execution of adulterers and i don't let my side-locks grow long. So, I wonder how you pick and choose which bible admonitions you follow.

    I think the major objection to the "old time" KKK probably has something to do with murder, lynching, arson, intimidation, random violence, etc. I don't think people care much about the white sheets.

    And yes, "God has already explained it", but the interpretation is up to you. Lots of people have explained doing some very terrible things as justified by their interpretation of the bible.
     
  13. Leo

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    If I have a legal business that I own, pay the taxes, insurance, etc., what business is it of anyones who I do business with. When I did telephone contract work, I refused to bid on any work for telemarketing phone centers. I let my competitors have that work. So what?

    A punk with an atitude came over to buy my motorcycle. He was so offensive I would not come down a nickle. A young guy with good manners came by and was repectful, I came down to where he could afford to bid for it. He opened with an offer, and I accepted his bid. So what?

    It is not like a lunch counter where the menu defines the contractual terms and all a customer has to do is meet the price to complete the terms. Any contract work needs to have a contractual offer (bid)and a contractual acceptance. No offer, no acceptance, no deal.
     
  14. halfmile

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    I'm a Lesbian trapped in a man's body! (Devil made me do that)

    HM
     
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    I admire Aaron Klein and others like him who are willing to stand firm in their religious beliefs. They have honor and integrity.

    Queers have AIDS and immorality.

    I'll stick with people like Aaron.

    It has been said that America is a country of laws but not justice. What has happened to Aaron might be legal but it is not just.
     
  16. Setterman

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    Traders, "Ethics and morals" vs "diversity and tolerance". The "D and T" is often used as an excuse for not honoring the "E and M".

    Your thought pattern is an excellant example.
     
  17. Traders

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    leo,

    In the examples you cited, it does not appear that you discriminated in violation of current discrimination laws. So, on that basis, you were within the law to refuse service. Apparently, Mr Aaron was not. In the US, if we don't like the law, and there are plenty I don't like, we can attempt to change them. Or, we can just accept the law and try to conform as best as possible.

    halfmile,

    I'm sorry for your predicament. Perhaps you should consider a surgical alteration. It might make you more comfortable. If you want to investigate the possibilities, I have several associates that would probably be willing to make the alterations for you at a "cut rate" price.

    Setterman,

    Apparently, you, as do I, have a general idea of what we believe is ethical and moral. Unfortunately, many people will disagree with my and perhaps your ideas on these issues. I try to act by my own standards and hope that other peoples morals and ethics don't interfere with my life. But, I try not to judge. Sometimes it is unavoidable.

    It's important to remember that the issue on this thread is whether Mr. Aaron broke the law. Apparently that has not yet been determined. Boycotts are a different issue. There have been many calls for various boycotts on this site. Seems reasonable to me that if you don't like how someone is doing business, don't buy their services and why shouldn't you encourage others to do the same. Threats of violence are illegal.
     
  18. timberfaller

    timberfaller Well-Known Member

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    Your right traders, In this country we have the right to agree or disagree.

    The scales of justice have been tipped to benefit a few.

    you said; "if we don't like the law, and there are plenty I don't like, we can attempt to change them."

    Can you then explain Calif, prop 8 that the PEOPLE past a couple of time and yet a judge and say "illegal" and that ends it??

    An in my state(WA), has a single issue initiative ballot system who years ago fought against a initiative that had 3 issues in it and the supreme court rule in favor of it. It wound up banning hound hunting, trapping and baiting.

    So how are we able to change a "phoney" law?? When the majority are against it.
     
  19. shooterIII

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    Has anyone read George Orwell's "1984"
     
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    Timberfaller said - "If we have to treat the gay community like the courts are giving them, THEN the KKK should be allowed to do what they do. After all, its a "life" style choice don't you know! Both live in SIN by God's standards."


    Timberfaller has typed many an ignorant statement over the years, but this is right up there at the top.